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Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by dodobirdlord »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #119

Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-...

What is the meaning of this comment? Are you highlighting the article title because you think that it’s incorrect in the context of this fab being built? Fabs like this are automated to the greatest extent possible, and the remaining jobs are mostly high-skill. The article makes this point directly.

> Here’s the problem: Whether or not those manufacturing jobs could have been saved, they aren’t coming back, at least not most of them. How do we know? Because in recent years, factories have been coming back, but the jobs haven’t. Because of rising wages in China, the need for shorter supply chains and other factors, a small but growing group of companies are shifting production back to the U.S. But the factories they build here are heavily automated, employing a small fraction of the workers they would have a generation ago.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by hnov »

galangalalgol wrote: post #106
SemAntics0 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Great Lakes region has a surprising concentration of advanced manufacturing skillsets. With large manufacturing facilities with extremely stringent quality standards like a bleeding edge chip fab there's going to be a enormous need for people with traditional manufacturing-specific support skillsets that are simply not available in large quantities anywhere else in the US. If the current administration's support…

the only thing an ev actually needs chips for is charge controllers which can be old fab tech, and motor controllers which aren't normal silicon or tiny feature size. Tesla is using silicon carbide, and gallium arsenide will probably be next. The Bollinger takes this route of minimalism. Ironically, an EV has less reliance on processing than a modern ICE vehicle.

Do EVs not have all of the ancillaries hanging off CANBUS or something? Or is the lion's share of chips in an ICE vehicle engine and transmission control?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by justin66 »

qsmi wrote: post #67

Does anyone know why Intel would want to build a "mega-site" in the city of Columbus Ohio? Why not choose Cleveland Ohio where one has port access with an existing route to Europe? Fabs are international affairs, no matter where they're rooted, because just to keep the place running one needs a constant stream of parts from everywhere. It seems like being in a sea/rail/truck hub would be a logistics advantage. [1] ht…

> Why not choose Cleveland Ohio where one has port access with an existing route to Europe?

Don't most chips travel internationally by air?

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by twoquestions »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #130

I've actually been considering a move to Ohio this June. Any suggestions for whetr in Ohio I should look? My main consideration is low CoL as I work remotely but I'd like there to be stuff to do within a reasonable driving distance.

Toledo's pretty good too, and there's a bunch of smaller cities around that have already shrunk as much as they're going to. Roads are decent too, even though everyone complains about the construction (until they take a trip through Michigan).

Be careful going too cheap, as the rural parts have utterly terrible Internet service. A buddy of mine can't even play Deep Rock Galactic with us and his Discord calls sound robotic.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by reaperducer »

MathCodeLove wrote: post #130

I've actually been considering a move to Ohio this June. Any suggestions for whetr in Ohio I should look? My main consideration is low CoL as I work remotely but I'd like there to be stuff to do within a reasonable driving distance.

When people ask me about Ohio, I always whole-hartedly recommend Cincinnati.

But then you added "stuff to do within a reasonable driving distance," and I think that tips the scales in favor of Cleveland.

And if you want to leave the car at home, you can take Amtrak from Cleveland to New York, Chicago, Toronto, Philadelphia, Baltimore, and D.C.

I still love Cincinnati, but until international flying gets back in order, it's not an ideal starting point for adventure.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by nickthegreek »

N1H1L wrote: post #140
MathCodeLove wrote: post #130

I've actually been considering a move to Ohio this June. Any suggestions for whetr in Ohio I should look? My main consideration is low CoL as I work remotely but I'd like there to be stuff to do within a reasonable driving distance.

Both Columbus and Cincy are great. Cleveland is iffy and too snowy in my opinion

I am very happy in Columbus. I hear Cleveland has better nightlife, but I came from up that way and the snow difference between Columbus and Cleveland is huge. I do not miss it.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by moralestapia »

N1H1L wrote: post #138
gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

The midwest has some of the greatest engineering schools in the nation. I have been beating this drum hoarse for a few years now - but it's true. Specifically, members of the Big 10 conference are probably the best engineering schools conference in the world. Within 300 miles from Columbus (where you have Ohio State - Big10), you have Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, UIUC, Indiana, Purdue from the Big 10 along w…

My two c, I have been left with a very good impression of people from Penn State and Michigan State, very talented and diligent at work.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by reaperducer »

ksec wrote: post #15

Intel said the same thing for Arizona as well. Initial $20B investment which could expand to $100B. So they are building it in two places. I wonder why they dont keep it all in Arizona? ( May be Tax Break, but I have no idea how Tax Break works in US ) And if you include their (expected) expansion in EUR, Intel is layering the foundation for Foundry Services. Compared to its half assed Custom Foundry in 2012/2013 wit…

I wonder why they dont keep it all in Arizona?

Maybe water?

I've read a bunch of newspaper articles from that region recently about how people in Arizona and New Mexico are getting very pissy about water going to new industries. And from what I read on HN, chip manufacturing needs lots of water.

One thing Ohio seems to have plenty of is water. At least compared to places like Arizona.

Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant

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Post by 015a »

gaoshan wrote: post #122

This is actually a brilliant location for them. One of those places that has much more going for it than people not from the region would realize. International airport, large rail depot, extremely low cost of living and a city/region that has more good restaurants and activities than might be expected. Ohio State University is in the city and is a huge school that is rapidly growing in academic standing. Road transi…

Also, within "can still drive home every couple months to see the family" distance of UIUC and Purdue, which are two of the top ten Electrical Engineering and Computer Science universities in the US.
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