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Dayton Hamfest.
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This isn’t very charitable. When companies publish this sort of thing they’re generally committed (however tentatively) to within some reasonable percentage of the amount. Provided of course it makes financial sense after further diligence and the like.
Foxconn once said it would spend $10B building a factory in Wisconsin. Now the claim is $672M -- over next six years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_in_Wisconsin We'll believe it when it happens.
I don't think you can generalize between these deals when:
1. The semiconductor companies on one side of the table are very different: Taiwanese company mostly employing in China versus a US company. National cultures around commitments and deals vary.
2. The politicians on the other side of the table are very different. Scott Walker and Donald Trump with the Wisconsin deal and Mike DeWine in Ohio.
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Having worked at Intel, I can tell you that the process side of Intel has similar work hours. This, in particular, rings true for Intel: > Different positions may have different requirements, so work hours vary, according to the principal engineer. “An equipment engineer might start work at 8 o’clock in the morning and leave around 9 o’clock at night, but is it normal? This may happen two or three days a week. On a p…
How much are Intel process engineers paid to withstand that?
Very well for Oregon.
But it's a little more nuanced than pay for two reasons.
1) Intel is a little like proto-Amazon. There is a preference for hiring people directly out of grad school and inducting them into the cult while they are still naive, so that's just what they come to expect for work-life balance.
2) The whole semiconductor industry is like this, and particularly so for production fabs. If you have domain expertise, you have no alternative work-life balance choice short of a career change.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
This isn’t very charitable. When companies publish this sort of thing they’re generally committed (however tentatively) to within some reasonable percentage of the amount. Provided of course it makes financial sense after further diligence and the like.
Foxconn once said it would spend $10B building a factory in Wisconsin. Now the claim is $672M -- over next six years: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn_in_Wisconsin We'll believe it when it happens.
Not sure Foxconn va intel is a great comparison.
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1 Å = 0.1 nm, which is roughly the diameter of a hydrogen atom.
This mandatory comment is your threadly reminder that node names are entirely unrelated to any physical dimensions, as has been the case for many years now. You should not interpret node names as meaning anything more than a point on the semiconductor roadmap. Nodes that share the same names across foundries will not have the same performance characteristics, but are usually roughly comparable (especially since Intel…
Somewhat related- this reminds me of this recent fact that I learned [1] that 1" camera sensors are not 1" in any dimension whatsoever. That number is rooted in historical diameter of a tube that video camera "sensors" were housed in. That tube was 1" in diameter.
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It has an international airport, intermodal rail freight depot and interstate highways. I would guess that raw materials can be transported by road or rail. Access to a waterway is sometimes needed for very heavy indivisible parts (not sure if this is commons for fabs) but that is unlikely to be a regular occurrence. Just drive it down the interstate with a police escort at 2am.
I am pretty shocked but I guess ASML delivers by 747. [1][2] But they do seem to know what they're doing. :) "The current generation of EUV machines are already, to put it bluntly, kind of bonkers. Each one is roughly the size of a bus and costs $150 million. It contains 100,000 parts and 2 kilometers of cabling. Shipping the components requires 40 freight containers, three cargo planes, and 20 trucks." [1] https://t…
>Amid the recent chip shortage, triggered by the pandemic’s economic shock waves, ASML’s products have become central to a geopolitical struggle between the US and China, with Washington making it a high priority to block China's access to the machines. The US government has successfully pressured the Dutch not to grant the export licenses needed to send the machines to China, and ASML says it has shipped none to the country.
Fascinating
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#118When it comes to proximity research institutions, the choice of location is strange to me. Somewhere in the northern Indiana/Illinois/Michigan (i.e. "Greater Michiana") would have made a lot more sense. That way, you would be close to, UIUC, Northwestern, UChicago, UMichigan, Purdue, Notre Dame, UIndiana, Argonne National Lab, etc.
The Ohio State University is in Columbus and if not the largest university in the world it is in the top 3.
Yes, but OSU is not especially well known for computer architecture. In comparison, Wisconsin, Michigan, and Illinois are all top-5 schools in EE/hardware. And the Champaign area is even more affordable than Columbus. So choosing Columbus must have satisfied multiple constraints, some of which aren't obvious.
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#119Manufacturing Jobs Are Never Coming Back
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/manufacturing-jobs-are-...
Re: Intel's $20B Ohio factory could become world's largest chip plant
#120"Up to $100B". Okay. I planned on spending up to $100B for my wife's Christmas present. I actually ended up spending $75 + tax.
The initial investment is $20B according to the article.