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Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Excellent article. Shame so many wealthy people are cheap on tips. Always round up on the tip - the people relying on them need that extra $1-5 dollars more than you do. And if you can't afford those extra few dollars than what are you doing going out in the first place?

It dismays me how many wealthy people I know that flat our refuse to tip. I end such friendships, as those people are monsters, waiting for an excuse to toss others away.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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> Places like this rely on high school students for jobs like working the counter and delivering food. This sentence should be amended to “Places like this rely on people to accept low wages and low quality of life at work”. The whole article can basically be cut down to that sentence.

For what it's worth, the usual "high school jobs" are not a problem when done by actual high schoolers as side gig to fund phone, beer, weed and gas. They don't need to pay rent, food or health insurance so what would be a non-living wage for an adult is luxury money for high schoolers. The problem is when actual adults who have to take care of adult things (rent, food, health insurance, car payments, ...) have to re…

I knew multiple classmates who were working substantial hours because their families needed the extra income, and that was when wages were better than they are now. Anything close to real work should pay real wages because otherwise you’re screwing the most desperate at the expense of the more affluent kids who can afford to walk away.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Welcome to the terrible world of tipping. Subsidize the wages so the employer doesn't have to. I got out of my way to avoid any type of business or service that has tipping. It's getting so bad out there I've seen people talk about getting asked for a tip in a drive thru. Do I tip when I eat out? Yes. But that's cut down to a minimum now. I think we're headed towards a breaking point. Profits and cost of living canno…

> Welcome to the terrible world of tipping.

While I agree, I remember bartenders making $10/hr + tips when I worked in a restaurant... in 1998. I could make $10/hr washing dishes (always the most hard-to-staff position) but wouldn't do so until after the restaurant died down because I made more busing tables with tips.

Let's just call this type of employment what it is: wage slavery. People are used to there being a class of people willing to take these jobs.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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Am I reading the author right that he’s expecting people to tip on the movie ticket portion of their check? If so, I’m not at all surprised to he ended up disappointed when people didn’t do that. It would never occur to me to do that, before or after reading the article.

I don't think that was the expectation, not sure where you read that into it. The two examples he gave were for the bar in the lobby and a total bill that would be mainly food. This is presumably a Drafthouse or one of the similar places that have full waiter service at your seat.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

#35
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Shame so many people think it is a customer’s job to pay anything more than what they are asked to pay.

I find it hilarious how Americans think restaurant/bar staff is almost exclusively entitled to getting more money than what they signed up for, courtesy of the customer. Do you give other minimal wage workers tips? Cashiers, cleaners, random shop staff? If not then shut up.

Cashiers - yes at a coffee shop. The local brewery uses the same Square / Clover POS system for cans to go and sometimes I'll tip a few bucks (though I'm unsure here). Cleaners - if you mean a house cleaner, if booked through an app, then I think there's normally a tip option. There's tons of people who you're supposed to tip at Christmas in the city - building staff, daycare workers, cleaners, your mailman, etc etc.

Restaurants that have tried to go tip free, even the highest end ones, like Eleven Madison Park and Danny Meyer's Union Square Cafe, have rolled it back as customers see the prices as being "too high." Tipping is basically an optical illusion. If you don't tip, you are ruining it for everybody else.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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> Places like this rely on high school students for jobs like working the counter and delivering food. This sentence should be amended to “Places like this rely on people to accept low wages and low quality of life at work”. The whole article can basically be cut down to that sentence.

Well, the point is that these jobs don't create that much value. They're only worth so much, and the only skill required to do them is to put up with the misery. If you argue that all jobs must pay a "living wage", then jobs like this will just cease to exist and high-school kids won't be employable.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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> When I was a 16 year old kid working as a “Courtesy Clerk” for Albertsons Grocery store, we got a 15-minute break for every 4-hour shift and an hour lunch for an 8-hour shift. Shouldn't this be enforced by law?

Yes. One of the big problems we have now is that companies are either reframing their work Uber-style to get around regulations or flat-out ignoring them. Going after violations like that or e.g. the endemic wage-theft at small businesses like restaurants would be a great use of civic money since most of the people affected by lax enforcement have limited power to push back.

The first step is to have those laws. The article is about Texas, a government that takes pride in not having laws that provide a minimum quality of life at work.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

#38

I am always baffled when I read about the tip culture in the states. I find it so belittling for workers. It seems to incentivize a mentality of "the customer is always right", with workers putting an extra effort to always smile and be nice in the hope for a fair tip.

Restaurants can really barely afford to stay open in my (small) region, frankly they are seen as a service to a town not a net extractor. I know the finances behind my locals and can tell you they would not be able to stay open if workers were not also compensated via tips, and workers would not be there without the requisite pay. Tips end up being the difference between having a restaurant or not.

Genuinely curious: what if your local restaurants raise prices too?

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

#39

I am always baffled when I read about the tip culture in the states. I find it so belittling for workers. It seems to incentivize a mentality of "the customer is always right", with workers putting an extra effort to always smile and be nice in the hope for a fair tip.

Restaurants can really barely afford to stay open in my (small) region, frankly they are seen as a service to a town not a net extractor. I know the finances behind my locals and can tell you they would not be able to stay open if workers were not also compensated via tips, and workers would not be there without the requisite pay. Tips end up being the difference between having a restaurant or not.

If the region can't afford a restaurant without having external taxpayers subsidize the restaurant (e.g. via social safety net transfer payments), perhaps it shouldn't have one. Every business doesn't need to scale down or up to fill every niche.

Re: Former Labor Secretary Found What Work Is Like Now

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> When I was a 16 year old kid working as a “Courtesy Clerk” for Albertsons Grocery store, we got a 15-minute break for every 4-hour shift and an hour lunch for an 8-hour shift. Shouldn't this be enforced by law?

federal law says nothing about breaks except that if they're 30m or longer you don't get paid

many states go no further, including Texas, which explicitly does not require break time

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