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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Climate impact is significant. That's going to interfere with generations enjoying their lives.

We should then work on enabling people to fly with no climate impact. For example, using zero emissions energy to synthesize jet fuel. The goal should be to enable people, not to block them.

Sure, but not high on the list of priorities. How about enabling people to get healthcare, go to college, or to survive by addressing global warming.

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For everyone complaining about evidence citation, this is just a press release. The actual brief which includes 41 citations is here: https://world-heart-federation.org/wp-content/uploads/WHF-Po...

I saw this from this link: https://world-heart-federation.org/news/no-amount-of-alcohol... In that article, it states: "Alcohol has a greater impact on people from low socio-economic backgrounds, who are more likely to experience its adverse effects compared to people from higher socio-economic backgrounds, even when consuming similar or lower amounts." Can someone provide some insight here? What does your wage have…

My first thought would be compounding any of the comorbidities that are already correlated with low socioeconomic status.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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My favourite quote on the matter:

But claiming there is no ‘safe’ level does not seem an argument for abstention. There is no safe level of driving, but government do not recommend that people avoid driving.

Come to think of it, there is no safe level of living, but nobody would recommend abstention.

https://medium.com/wintoncentre/the-risks-of-alcohol-again-2...

I understand why they want to dispel the persistent myth that alcohol can be good for you, but do they have to do it by employing their own vacuous statements? Tell people what the extra risk of drinking a daily glass of wine is, then they can make their own mind up on whether to take that risk or not.

Such empty discourse absent of falsifiable statements is more damaging to our society than a glass of wine ever could be.

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We often say "trust the science" when we agree with the conclusions of a study, and "question authority" when we don't. The phrase "trust, but verify" is an appealing middle ground, but isn't it really a euphemism for "I don't believe you yet"?

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I'm not 100% certain about this, but my initial thoughts are that low socio-economic backgrounds will have less medical treatment (especially preventative) so issues aren't caught as quickly meaning you'll have more health issues at the same consumption rates. Other stats such as higher socio-economic backgrounds tending to eat more healthy foods, exercise more, have a greater ability to have a fruitful social life e…

That's true across the board though, and seems strange to call it out specifically in regards to alcohol consumption.

It’s true across the board, but is relevant to things done across the board. So it is more relevant to public health than the disproportionate impact of scuba diving.

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My favourite quote on the matter: But claiming there is no ‘safe’ level does not seem an argument for abstention. There is no safe level of driving, but government do not recommend that people avoid driving. Come to think of it, there is no safe level of living, but nobody would recommend abstention. https://medium.com/wintoncentre/the-risks-of-alcohol-again-2... I understand why they want to dispel the persistent my…

> Such empty discourse absent of falsifiable statements is more damaging to our society than a glass of wine ever could be.

Hear, hear.

    Ah, make the most of what we yet may spend,
    Before we too into the Dust Descend;
    Dust into Dust, and under Dust, to lie,
    Sans Wine, sans Song, sans Singer and—sans End!
The textbook I used when I was teaching "Economics of Regulation"[1] emphasizes the fact that trying to drive individual risks to zero (acting, in the process, as if there is never a cost to trying to reduce risk) is a fool's errand.

Viscusi's "Pricing Lives"[2] is a great work. "VSL (value of a statistical life) is the risk-reward trade-off that people make about their health when considering risky job choices." Once you understand that, you understand how one ought to reason about whether one policy is better than another. Once you understand that, you come to the realization that the actual policies implemented bear no resemblance to the policies that ought to have been implemented in light of a rational cost-benefit calculation.

[1]: https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/economics-regulation-and-anti...

[2]: https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691208596/pr...

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Yes, but not all of the water - you would be talking about many gallons.

Please consult literally any intro guide to home brewing. They all call for boiling all of the water. I have brewed dozens of batches of beer at home and always boil all of it. I don't know as much about commercial brewing but I've never heard or read of partial boiling as a common technique in commercial brewing. (There is such a thing as "raw ale", but the fact that it has a special name to indicate the lack of boi…

Well, here's one (first on google) that doesn't:

https://www.thehomebrewforum.co.uk/threads/beer-from-kit-boi...

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The CDC (formally Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) has long tried to enter the gun control debate. That has nothing to do with their mission of communicable disease prevention. Congress has repeatedly voted to block them.

The wider medical community has been vocal about gun control, because guns are a leading cause of injury and death. The fact that it's not a virus or bacteria is arguably a pointless technicality, incidental to saving people's lives. The people who catch the 'bullet' disease are treated at hospitals by doctors. You may not think it's appropriate, but many doctors disagree. There's nothing in that indicating it's poli…

Should CDC also be involved in traffic laws too?

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The CDC has been unfortunately hopelessly politicized. It happened long before the pandemic. OTOH, I would make the differentiating point that air travel has positive benefits to society and costs and one has to weigh those against each other. You can’t make the blanket statement “earth would be better off if air travel went away completely.” It’s hard to find any benefit to smoking, first hand or second, so it’s eas…

As we've seen in the past 2 years, there's no real positive benefit to society to frequent business flying (at pre-pandemic levels). Like smoking, we don't need to completely ban air travel. The equivalent would be severely limiting it (for example, prohibiting business flying).

there's no real positive benefit to society to frequent business flying

I'm seeing a lot of communication and alignment issues because people can't get into one room and hash things out.

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Well, media has been recently overwhelmed by studies showcasing the benefits of weed so that the disadvantages of using it appear to be lower or none at all, but that's not really the case. If smoked, you're smoking tar and volatile compounds that can harm the lungs, much like a regular cigarette - although you're probably not going to smoke a pack of 20 joints in a single day like the moderate-to-heavy smoker next d…

See, I'm of the opinion that problem drinking and/or weed is escapism or a form of self-harm, and unless the underlying issues are solved you'd just find an alternative. Anecdotal, but I drink less now that I'm in a comitted relationship / living together. I still drink, but it's social. I've only been sort of hung over once in the past year.

Going to the movies is a form of escapism too. I wouldn’t connect escapism to self harm. It can help you avoid getting help, but that’s only harm by opportunity cost, which opens up all sorts of issues.
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