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Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by rodolphoarruda »

criddell wrote: post #804
MarkusWandel wrote: post #785

I have four active email users in my free "legacy edition" vanity domain workspace. I am not willing to pay USD4x6x12 per year to have this continue to work. Looking around for the most affordable alternative for four active email accounts brings me to... Microsoft! Microsoft 365 Family Edition. Like a lot of salary drones I use Microsoft products at work, so I get a discount. It is sad to be paying for full Microsof…

You might want to consider iCloud+ as well. It starts at $1 / month. You get 50 GB of storage, custom email domain, etc...

iCloud price is affordable. One problem I noticed, though, is the process to create a family account. You must have an Apple device to do it. There is no option to do it through the browser. I don't have an Apple device, so I cannot create a family group associated to my individual account.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by renzo88 »

hammyhavoc wrote: post #770
renzo88 wrote: post #766

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I'd say it's reasonable to call 16 "nearly" 20 years. It certainly rounds off that way.

It launched August 28 2006. I'd say it's reasonable to call it fifteen years. This is tech.

Fifteen years is nearly 20 years. So, both is correct. I'm not sure what your point is other than splitting hairs.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by glonq »

Oh damn, I set my family domain up on google apps back when it was free, and am definitely not paying $X/user/month just for email.

I'd like to keep use my me@foo_family.com email address I'd like to keep using gmail.

Is it possible to somehow migrate 10+ years of email from me@foo_family.com to me@gmail.com? From there, I just need to somehow point *@foo_family.com emails to something that forwards to the new individual gmail addresses.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by pygy_ »

mxuribe wrote: post #847
mxuribe wrote: post #747

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I've also been used to the free tier of GSuite...but honestly, i can not complain. I got to use my own custom domain for my family for several years...so i can't be upset really. That being said, a few months ago i started testing zoho mail...because i had planneed to move away from google anyway (for reasons that are not about cost, but more about principles)...and so far my tests are pretty good with them! Zoho's p…

@pygy_ Not sure what happened to your comment...but as far as supporting a catchall...while i do not use that feature, the follwoing help pages seem to indicate that it is supported: https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/adminconsole/catch-all-setup.... https://help.zoho.com/portal/en/kb/mail/adminconsole/article... https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/adminconsole/org-settings.htm... Good luck!

There must have been a caching glitch...

Many thanks for the info, I had seen the first two pages, but I wasn't sure whether it applied to that very plan. That seems promising :-)

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by mikevo »

tyingq wrote: post #257
Normille wrote: post #2

Is this for real? I've not received that email from Google. If so, I guess it's time to setup my own mailserver. I've been meaning to do it for a long while now anyway, as I'm not comfortable with the thought that Google is data-harvesting all my and my family's emails. But with mailservers being notoriously difficult to setup and configure securely, I keep putting it off. Time to get reading a few tutorials, methink…

>Yandex Mail for Domains [0] which [at least last time I checked] was still free It looks like it's not free anymore. I used to see a free plan, now there are only paid ones.

It's still free, the link is a bit "hidden" under the paid options

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by nunez »

signal11 wrote: post #499
l33tman wrote: post #485

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You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? I'm all about Google being evil and all that, but spending valuable aggression on this seems a bit excessive.. The Google Takeout system gives you all of your email in a format you might be able to import into another system?

> You're complaining that a service you use all the time for a decade for free now might cost the equivalent of a cup of coffee per month? It’s easy to paint customers as frightful moaners, but that’s a surefire way to lose customers, or at least alienate them. Google’s Reader debacle comes to mind. In particular, the short notice period (3 months + 2 months grace) for something people have been using for a decade is…

The problem with this argument is that for many (including myself), we just wanted to use Gmail and other Google services with our own domains. That was free and worked perfectly for everything Google offered at the time.

Now, they are asking for more money (It was $6/mo; it's now $12/mo) for less features that apply to us (can't use YouTube Premium or Google Homes on a family plan if you have G-suite, can't port a Voice number from a consumer account into a G-Suite account, amongst other limitations) because Google decided to convert this offering into their business collaboration portfolio instead of leaving it as its own thing.

Worse, if you want to move all of your email, photos, Google Maps activity, etc. to a free account, well, too bad! You can't! You can use takeout.google.com to download everything, but most of that data can't be imported into consumer.

Basically, we were duped, and now our data is trapped.

Personally, I would be happy if Google offered a way to convert legacy accounts into Google Consumer accounts like flipping a switch. Shit, I'd even pay a few bucks/month still for exactly this experience without all of the Google Workspace-y stuff that I never use. (I never use Google Chat, Google Meet, or any of their business-only offerings _because I never wanted those things in the first place!_)

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by prirun »

srg0 wrote: post #633
Kalium wrote: post #504

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> In particular, the short notice period (3 months + 2 months grace) for something people have been using for a decade is jarring. For me, this raises the obvious question. How long a notice period is long enough? Six months? Eight? A year? Five years? A decade? I think we can all agree that a decade would be an excessive and unreasonable expectation. > By the same token, people have been using free Gmail accounts fo…

I'd say that a year or a year + 3 months is a reasonable transition period. People need to assess the situation, evaluate existing solutions (including paying for the service), what needs to be done, etc. They're not doing it as their job, so do not necessarily know the current market offers. Then they need to allocate time and resources to do the transition. Time, when the transition is the least disruptive, and the…

I moved from Gmail to Fastmail recently, because Google Sites forced me to move from V1 to V2. However, in their defense, they gave me over a year's notice to convert my site and I still didn't do it. They made it read-only after a year, which is what pushed me into trying the migration. It was a disaster: the Google V2 site was slow (my release notes page took 15 seconds to load but used to load in a couple seconds) and the site looked like crap. So I had to do Takeout and hand-edit Google's 512KB-per-page of Javascript and HTML. But now, pages average 19KB each, the site looks great, and it's way easier to manage with Asciidoc instead of using a browser editing window.

My point: it doesn't matter how long they give us to switch - most people won't do it until they are absolutely forced.

This reminds me of Microsoft back in the day. Windows was (is?) crap, unreliable, and without the kindness of technical friends and relatives willing to work on someone's Windows issues for free, Microsoft may not have ever made it past DOS. I got sick of working on everyone's Windows problems so got rid of all my Windows machines and just told people "sorry, I don't have any Windows machines anymore and can't help you". And it was the truth - after about a year I really didn't know how to help them anymore! It's great!

Maybe it's time for technical people to stop working for free for Microsoft and Google. If their stuff is crap, let them sort it out with their wonderful customer service that you now have to pay for.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by [deleted] »

422long wrote: post #151
tyingq wrote: post #124

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The 365 Family plan is $99/year, total (not per person), for up to 6 people, and you can use your own domain.

Funny.. I was apparently already paying for this and never knew it came with email. Too bad there is a 6 person hard limit as I need 7 accounts. Just tested a bit and it looks like only domains with DNS hosted by Godaddy work with this.

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by mxuribe »

pygy_ wrote: post #904
mxuribe wrote: post #847

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@pygy_ Not sure what happened to your comment...but as far as supporting a catchall...while i do not use that feature, the follwoing help pages seem to indicate that it is supported: https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/adminconsole/catch-all-setup.... https://help.zoho.com/portal/en/kb/mail/adminconsole/article... https://www.zoho.com/mail/help/adminconsole/org-settings.htm... Good luck!

There must have been a caching glitch... Many thanks for the info, I had seen the first two pages, but I wasn't sure whether it applied to that very plan. That seems promising :-)

@pygy_ So, i just checked (because you got me curious too)...and the Zoho Mail Lite plan (I'm U.S. based, so i pay $1 USD per user per month) does indeed have the catchall feature available. But, please note, it is present within the admin console...so not within, say, the user's mailbox. If you were a single user, that would not be an issue...but i think i recall you saying about needing for your family...so not sure if/how the set up a catchall at the admin console level interacts with each user's email address/identity...hmmm...Likely it only activates assuming, say, amazon@your-domain.net is not being used by one of your family users...but it merits a little more research on your own, if you in fact use this feature alot. Good luck!

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by e38383 »

celso wrote: post #788
MikusR wrote: post #698

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That is a third party paid app. The Cloudflare one is in preview https://developers.cloudflare.com/email-routing/

We're mass enabling the zones that have asked for Beta access and will be going GA soon. Email me at celso@cf if you can't wait; we'll try to prioritize.

Are you going to add smtp relaying / sending mails too?

Otherwise this is a one way street, you can receive mail on your domain, but not send from it.

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