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No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

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Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#81

Of course it isn’t. Drink water. Unfortunately some people believe they can’t enjoy themselves without alcohol. It’s curious: - babies have fun without drinking - kids have fun without drinking - some teens have fun without drinking Then at some point some people, as adults, feel like they have to drink to enjoy themselves? I wonder what happened. Edit: explicitly clarifying that I’m only talking about some people he…

We run out of fun

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#83

Yes but a moderate amount with good friends is great for my soul.

I was thinking about this recently watching a conversation between Lex Fridman and Bryan Johnson and it struck me that there is a huge difference in optimizing lifestyle choices for human physical and mental performance, and optimizing lifestyle choices for human flourishing, or even say joy and wonder. I feel like there is this growing misunderstanding that the "optimal" human is one that can be the most productive at work.

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#84
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I know of a man who had a shot of 96 percent alcohol (192 proof) every single day and died at the age of 96.

My great grandfather sat in a chair and drank from his handle of whiskey every day until his death also at 96. I had heard stories of workers on his farm not realize he was drinking during the work day until the tractor plowed through a neighboring fence causing them to look up in concern to see him passed out on the seat.

I unfortunately saw many in my family use his fortunate long life span, regardless of drink consumption, as an enabler to drink like that. Including myself, up until about 90 days ago.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suppose the law states that David Haroldson (or the Glorious Leader, or foreign diplomats) cannot be convicted of any crime. That's inconsistent, (perhaps) arbitrary, and unfair. Yet, it would be foolish to extend this conviction-immunity to everybody.

Or make it so glorious leader is not above the law.

Yes. Consistency is not necessarily the problem; foolish consistency is.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#86

Alcohol is one of the worst "drugs" on a personal/societal harm scale - if we're going to tolerate this at large, we should probably consider legalizing everything else that's less harmful to at least be consistent. While we're at it, let's de-stigmatize the abuse of substances and treat it like a real mental health issue.

> if we're going to tolerate this at large, we should probably consider legalizing everything else that's less harmful to at least be consistent. Please do not decide policy using this kind of reasoning. Maybe we should legalise more stuff, but “worse things are legal” is not a good reason. > A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. — Ralph Waldo…

Everything was legal until a law was passed criminalizing it.

There's a difference between an offense and a crime (in most countries).

Making buying/selling/using some substances a crime is limiting freedom, and hence should only be a measure of last resort. So no "the alc lobby push for laws against weed" kind of story that ended up with the "reefer scare" tactic.

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#87

Of course it isn’t. Drink water. Unfortunately some people believe they can’t enjoy themselves without alcohol. It’s curious: - babies have fun without drinking - kids have fun without drinking - some teens have fun without drinking Then at some point some people, as adults, feel like they have to drink to enjoy themselves? I wonder what happened. Edit: explicitly clarifying that I’m only talking about some people he…

You forgot many to most adults that can have fun can do so without alcohol

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#88

Alcohol is one of the worst "drugs" on a personal/societal harm scale - if we're going to tolerate this at large, we should probably consider legalizing everything else that's less harmful to at least be consistent. While we're at it, let's de-stigmatize the abuse of substances and treat it like a real mental health issue.

All drugs should be decriminalized. Shooting people in drug raids is far worse for those people than are the drugs. Likewise, locking people in cages with other misfits, criminals, malcontents, and addicts isn’t smart (especially considering that drugs are in the prisons too). If the goal is truly harm reduction, people need to simply work to convince drug users to not use drugs (whether those are opioids, alcohol, tobacco, meth, whatever).

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#89
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, most (Americans) drink little or no alcohol. The cult of alcohol is certain they cannot live without it, which is part of the problem perhaps. But most do live without it. And are not eating bugs.

The NIH itself says different: * 85.6 percent of people ages 18 and older reported that they drank alcohol at some point in their lifetime * 69.5 percent reported that they drank in the past year * 54.9 percent reported that they drank in the past month https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh...

While a little unclear on details, this seems to put the parent's assertion well within the realm of possibility. 45% of people had nothing to drink in the past month. It's therefore believable, barring additional data, that the majority of people drink at most a "little", as the parent put it. Are you interpreting this differently?

Re: No amount of alcohol is good for the heart, says World Heart Federation

#90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, most (Americans) drink little or no alcohol. The cult of alcohol is certain they cannot live without it, which is part of the problem perhaps. But most do live without it. And are not eating bugs.

This sounded wrong to me, so I did a simple search. This study from the NIAA of the NIH seems to suggest what you said is incorrect. https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/brochures-and-fact-sh... Most Americans do drink.

Most Americans do drink.

That doesn't contradict what the person you are replying to said. They said most Americans drink "little or no" alcohol, not "no alcohol".

Why is it that on the Internet almost everyone seems to silently remove/ignore qualifiers like that, and treat everything as a binary dichotomy???

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