Short answer is “yes”. It’s the same way a homeowner can be responsible if they negligently leave some issues on their property and a person falls to their death. The ultimate responsibility is the person behind the wheel. That said, I’d argue Tesla is also liable. To what extent I don’t know, but it was clearly a contributing factor.
Do we hold pilots accountable when the plane in on autopilot? Genuinely curious.
A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver guilty of manslaughter?
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#22Short answer is “yes”. It’s the same way a homeowner can be responsible if they negligently leave some issues on their property and a person falls to their death. The ultimate responsibility is the person behind the wheel. That said, I’d argue Tesla is also liable. To what extent I don’t know, but it was clearly a contributing factor.
Are folks going to sue GM and Ford when people don't pay attention when their versions of driver assist don't stop the car for an obstacle or traffic signal? Probably, but that's because America is highly litigious and has lost the concept of personal responsibility. The odds of winning are low.
(disclosure: tesla owner with >50k miles of Autopilot [EAP] use)
Re: A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver guilty of manslaughter?
#23Re: A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver guilty of manslaughter?
#24Short answer is “yes”. It’s the same way a homeowner can be responsible if they negligently leave some issues on their property and a person falls to their death. The ultimate responsibility is the person behind the wheel. That said, I’d argue Tesla is also liable. To what extent I don’t know, but it was clearly a contributing factor.
Do we hold pilots accountable when the plane in on autopilot? Genuinely curious.
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#25The idea that a software bug could land me in jail for manslaughter, is not one I'm a fan of.
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#26Well that is the thing here. There is not proper driver monitoring on these cars and it allows both autopilot and FSD systems to be open to abuse to cause crashes like this given that the drivers have become too complacent and convinced that these cars drive themselves which Tesla's falsely advertises.
So yes. Guilty as charged. Both features of autopilot and FSD allow drivers like this one to become complacent with the system.
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#27Yes. > Should Riad be found guilty, “it’s going to send shivers up and down everybody’s spine who has one of these vehicles and realizes, ‘Hey, I’m the one that’s responsible,’” Duh. There's plenty of warnings, you are still responsible and your attention is required at all times to intervene when needed. Of course, there are going to be plenty of situations where it will be too late for a human to intervene. Those a…
Re: A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver guilty of manslaughter?
#28Short answer is “yes”. It’s the same way a homeowner can be responsible if they negligently leave some issues on their property and a person falls to their death. The ultimate responsibility is the person behind the wheel. That said, I’d argue Tesla is also liable. To what extent I don’t know, but it was clearly a contributing factor.
Do we hold pilots accountable when the plane in on autopilot? Genuinely curious.
Having said that, aircraft pilots are very highly trained relative to automobile drivers and must pass periodic medical and proficiency exams to maintain their flight status. Whereas anyone (loosely speaking) can buy a Tesla and just start driving it.
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#29Re: A Tesla on autopilot killed two people. Is the driver guilty of manslaughter?
#30Short answer is “yes”. It’s the same way a homeowner can be responsible if they negligently leave some issues on their property and a person falls to their death. The ultimate responsibility is the person behind the wheel. That said, I’d argue Tesla is also liable. To what extent I don’t know, but it was clearly a contributing factor.
Do we hold pilots accountable when the plane in on autopilot? Genuinely curious.