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Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by joshspankit »

theossuary wrote: post #226

I'm definitely getting screwed over by this. I've hosted close friend's and family's email for a decade now on an old G Apps instance. We only ever used it for email on a custom domain. It was most useful because I could reset passwords for them if they forgot it. Now I'm going to have to figure out what to do. Microsoft's Family offering is way better (not saying much considering Google doesn't have one). Right now…

Having been through maybe a dozen of these over the last decades, my experience says that when all costs/hours/conversations are added up it’s going to be cheaper and maintain those relationships better if you simply bill your friends and family so everyone can stay with Gmail.

And my advice: If you go that way, charge them automatically by CC every month and add a 30% markup to cover inevitable extra costs like footing the bill when someone cancels unexpectedly.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by awill »

fomine3 wrote: post #510
pcarolan wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[Basecamp]( https://basecamp.com/ ) + [Hey]( https://www.hey.com/ )

I found there are very few mentions about hey.com despite here's HN. Anyone still use Hey?

I think we all signed up for a trial, thought it was cool, but didn't want to spend $100/year.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by cstejerean »

jrochkind1 wrote: post #570

Uh oh, I think I have one of these. I somehow have my own custom domain pointing to gmail, for free, that I don't actually remember how I even got it, I've had it for years, but never have paid for it. That's all I do with this... whatever it is, email on a custom domain, I don't use anything else. I didn't receive any email this morning notifying me about it though. I guess maybe it's finally time to move to fastmai…

You should be able to use IMAP to move things over.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by max49 »

beagle3 wrote: post #425
herodoturtle wrote: post #91

What are some (paid) alternatives to using G-Suite for emails? Context: We're a small but relatively old SaaS company. Been happily using G Suite's free tier since day 1 - only for email. This announcement is a tad disappointing, but as other commenters have said, 10 years of a free product is pretty great. We'll likely upgrade to Google's paid tier, but out of curiosity, since we're switching to a paid service, we m…

IIRC migadu.com is $9/month, but that includes essentially unlimited domains and mailboxes (but only mail, nothing else, which seems to fit your use case). Which means, if you like to set up new domains for specific projects, there's no extra cost (other than registering the domain of course). Have never had a spam problem, but they stress that they don't consider themselves mission critical. I went with fastmail for…

>but they stress that they don't consider themselves mission critical

I'm new to shopping for email hosting and using your own domain. I know sending emails and not get flagged as spam is a hard, but is there any risks when it comes to receiving emails?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by patrickdavey »

burnte wrote: post #567
patrickdavey wrote: post #566

Does anyone know how this works with "catch all" domain handling. For years I have used FOO.org address with a legacy free edition. I always create service@foo.org email addresses, and they all drop through to the catch-all domain. Can I just register the one address "patrick@foo.org" and have all the addresses still just fall through as normal? What a nightmare :(

I never moved to the free GSuite and I'm glad. I have everything at my domain forward to me@mydomain.com and that goes to my gmail address. Then GMail is set up to send mail out through my domain's email server to retain the illusion.

Good for you ;) Heh, quite jealous.

I assume this means you're running your own mailserver, which was something I was hoping to avoid.

It looks like Google does allow catch-all addresses on the new plan. https://support.google.com/a/answer/2685650?hl=en . I'm still very tempted to move to fastmail instead though. Email was all I really used the legacy suite for.

The annoying thing is things like toy apps which I have which are all with one of these legacy g-suite accounts (though, maybe those do all continue to work actually ?) What a mess (like, how does oauth work when I signed in with Google and now it's no longer a google account... it won't work.. gah!)

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by jrochkind1 »

angus-prune wrote: post #406
samueldr wrote: post #150

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Any idea if they'll make a "gmail.com" account migration utility down the line? This is extremely concerning for Play store purchases, and anything non-email attached to the "google apps for your domain" account, like YouTube.

I dug into this with support and the docs. When you cancel workspace, the accounts remain active but lose access to just the workspace features (gmail, drive, docs, calendar etc). The accounts will remain the same for things like google play, youtube etc and you won't lose access to any purchases. The biggest impact I can see, other than the headache of migration, is that former GFYD email address can NEVER be used f…

> The biggest impact I can see, other than the headache of migration, is that former GFYD email address can NEVER be used for docs, drive etc, even on the same terms as a free personal account.

Uh oh. So, let's say I take my custom domain email address and set it up on a non-Google provider. (The whole reason I have a custom domain is to avoid locking me to a vendor).

I can't then set up an ordinary personal google account using this email, it'll be reserved forever?

That stinks.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by spronkey »

chii wrote: post #521
Kalium wrote: post #504

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> In particular, the short notice period (3 months + 2 months grace) for something people have been using for a decade is jarring. For me, this raises the obvious question. How long a notice period is long enough? Six months? Eight? A year? Five years? A decade? I think we can all agree that a decade would be an excessive and unreasonable expectation. > By the same token, people have been using free Gmail accounts fo…

> Which is to say incredibly hostile because people have come to view free Gmail accounts as a basic public service for which no payment will ever be required under any circumstances. which is called entitlement. And i'm seeing more and more of this sense of entitlement as more and more people (esp. young people) being exposed to the internet - and this seeps into their other lives offline.

Let's not forget that Google's spam filtering racket has made it next to impossible to host your own email in any kind of practical manner, or even use many hosted email services effectively over the years.

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by spronkey »

fckthisguy wrote: post #539
theossuary wrote: post #522

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I host 7 emails right now, it'd cost $500/year for email moving forward. I'd be happy to convert accounts to personal Gmail accounts and do mail forwarding. I'd be happy to move to a family plan for $100/year. After being a user for a decade, you'd think Google would provide me a reasonable way to pay them for their services. But I can't swing $500/year for email.

Migrating to another email provider might be a pain when it comes to importing older mailbox content, but any of the alternative email providers would be way cheaper in the long run. I use Protonmail for myself and around 5 others, with close to 10 mailboxes. I highly recommend it. Not sure what's available from them re. importing older mailboxes - I've never done it - but everything I've used jas been fantastic. Pro…

Do you know what plan you are on for Protonmail? I can't see anything that would allow that many mailboxes for anything less than 288 EUR a year?

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Post by doctoboggan »

burnte wrote: post #567
patrickdavey wrote: post #566

Does anyone know how this works with "catch all" domain handling. For years I have used FOO.org address with a legacy free edition. I always create service@foo.org email addresses, and they all drop through to the catch-all domain. Can I just register the one address "patrick@foo.org" and have all the addresses still just fall through as normal? What a nightmare :(

I never moved to the free GSuite and I'm glad. I have everything at my domain forward to me@mydomain.com and that goes to my gmail address. Then GMail is set up to send mail out through my domain's email server to retain the illusion.

How did you configure the forwarding from "me@mydomain.com" to your gmail address? Just using your registrars email forwarding options?

Re: Google requiring all ‘G Suite legacy free edition’ users to start paying

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Post by [deleted] »

AndrewDucker wrote: post #17

I created a free account many years ago for my family. We've all been using it ever since for everything. So I have a lot of purchases and history in there. All of my YouTube stuff, all of my Android purchases. Everything to do with Google. And now they're going to start charging me $70 per family member or delete all of their purchases for the last decade or so. To say I'm aghast is putting it mildly.

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