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1Password Has Raised $620M

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Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by abletonlive »

api wrote: post #191
Sytten wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made the same argument below but I was downvoted to hell. Bitwarden is not an alternative to 1Password that passes the wife/parent/elder test because the UX is so bad they need to call me everytime something isnt exactly working as before.

You were downvoted to hell because nerds continue to refuse to understand this. At this point it's flat out denialism. This refusal to understand UI/UX goes way way back in hacker culture: http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html This seems to be a general characteristic of enthusiasts. To design a good car for people other than car enthusiasts, you have to hate cars or at least be able to place o…

I can't stand nerds that fundamentally can't learn this nuance. It's like the biggest blind spot ever. There are just so many of them in the tech industry working as software engineers, which is why we have powerful tools that are a pain in the ass to use. It makes me hate software engineers, and I am one.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by TheCondor »

baryphonic wrote: post #111
fxtentacle wrote: post #50

"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

Copy that, on the family plan, works on all the devices that need it. We trust their shared vault technology enough. 1password is compelling. Not sure it's a billion dollar thing but it's good.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by shane_b »

bombcar wrote: post #5

`But we don’t just want to keep up; our goal is to push the envelope and explore beyond the boundaries of traditional password management.` Hmmm, sounds like the time to migrate may be sooner than I'd hoped.

I personally think password managers are positioned best for web3.

Just add crypto wallet functionality (similar encryption skills) and then facilitate both web2 and web3 login.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by aweiland »

tibiahurried wrote: post #212
baryphonic wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

We use BitWarden and it is free. $620M for a password manager is nuts.

Same. Works great for my wife and I.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by wlesieutre »

Semaphor wrote: post #90
fxtentacle wrote: post #50

"1Password Has Raised $620M" Ah fuck. They now need to grow at any cost to earn all that money back. And they'll throw their users under the bus, if they have to, because it's either grow like a unicorn or go bust. Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. How come…

1Password has the cloud, so maybe a better comparison would be bitwarden, not free (to use their hosted service) but FLOSS. Everything else stands, though ;)

Bitwarden has free hosted accounts, they just don't have all features enabled. Most notably, you can't store attachments.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by Karunamon »

otterley wrote: post #167
ballenf wrote: post #132

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Looks like they're aiming to become a cloud-based active directory, abstracting away authentication to a higher level single identity. They want to become something like a Passport for users across the web. If they can do this, it will be huge. But hopefully I'm not alone in hating this direction and see tracking individual identities as a small price to pay to protect freedoms.

Microsoft tried this over 20 years ago, even calling it Microsoft Passport and offering it free of charge, and it failed miserably: https://news.microsoft.com/2001/08/12/microsoft-passport-bri...

There's such a thing as being too ahead of the game. 20 years ago is an eternity in tech; there's nothing to say it might not work now.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

akerl_ wrote: post #192
scblock wrote: post #86

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Exactly. Once you raise a bunch of VC money you've sold your actual business to vampires. From now on it's grow at any cost. Add bloat, feature creep, unrelated projects, cost increases, and probably user data mining and sales on top of it. How was their rather expensive subscription fee and large subscriber base not sufficient to continue operating profitably?

I’m amused by the large portion of the Hackernews userbase that seems to view venture capital as an absolute evil, given that this is YCombinator’s forum. Can you really not think of any examples where VC capital has improved a company, product, or service?

> Can you really not think of any examples where VC capital has improved a company, product, or service?

I honestly can’t, do you mind sharing a few examples to prove your point?

I have a long list of “stopped using because went to shit after VC was injected”

1. WhatsApp and Facebook relation

2. Twitter and the loss of control over my feed

3. Spotify and the podcasts shenanigans

4. Dropbox and their assholery against free users

5. Evernote and their assholery against free user, increasingly useless redesigns and lack of improvement on the basics

Etc.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by drcongo »

rcarmo wrote: post #206

Friendly reminder that I have a list of alternatives here: https://taoofmac.com/space/apps/1password (I am now using Secrets while trying out iOS-friendly KeePass implementations)

Secrets was my favourite out of every password manager I tested, it's like 1Password before they started removing core functionality and implementing useless features requested by someone in marketing. It's only missing the ability to have shared vaults which sadly is key to my needs.

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by gregd »

api wrote: post #125
baryphonic wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, I sincerely have no clue how a password manager could be so expensive. Last time I checked, the excellent KeePassXC was still free open source and developed by volunteers in their free time. Because 1Password is easy enough to use that my wife and I can share a family plan without her getting frustrated. If one of us has a login the other needs, we can easily share it. When I evaluated KeePass, the Wife-Accep…

Nerds continue to fail to grasp the value of UI/UX. This has always been why FOSS and similar solutions have failed to compete in the market in spite of being "free" and often technically superior. UI/UX is everything. Apple became the most valuable company in history on the back of UI/UX alone. Their tech is decent but not that much better than anyone else's, but their stuff is at least marginally easier to use and…

Thank fuck someone said this.

Most users don't want to tweak anything related to their phones, tablets, computers, watches. If everything your app does, isn't reachable within 1-3 clicks/swipes/presses, then forget it.

Someone suggested using two versions KeePass files...one for shared passwords, one for not shared passwords. This is NOT a substitute for clicking Share Password and literally not doing anything else.

Someone suggested storing all your passwords in the browser. This is NOT a substitute for having all of your passwords available at the app level on your iPhone. This is NOT a substitute for sharing passwords with your whole family.

UI/UX is EVERYTHING

Re: 1Password Has Raised $620M

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Post by ifyoubuildit »

chefandy wrote: post #110
only4here wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can never trust cloud-hosted password managers..

Maybe you can't. Everybody has their own risk tolerance, but at some point, everybody's going to have to draw a line. Maybe you're only storing passwords for local services, but almost all of the credentials in my password manager are for services run on some cloud. Even then, did you evaluate all of the code for each of those services? How about the compiler code or the chips? Dell shipped out machines with a hardwa…

> Maybe you can't. Everybody has their own risk tolerance, but at some point, everybody's going to have to draw a line.

I'm in agreement with parent, I think putting your passwords in the cloud is a wild single point of failure. Even if you can tell a compelling story about how they carefully encrypt everything right now, you're always a silent update away from it all being dumped on the internet.

I think people (in aggregate) just don't care about the risk and will take the path of least resistance. They don't have to draw the line there, but they will.

> My password manager being compromised would indeed be a huge time suck, but I don't think the long-term consequences would be any more severe than a few key individual accounts that are probably even more vulnerable.

Having your main email account compromised seems like an absolute nightmare where you potentially lose control of every single service that you subscribe to (banking, utilities, cell phone (so maybe 2fa is even broken), medical portals, social media, etc).

Having your entire set of passwords compromised is like that on steroids. Rather than your attacker having to use your email to get to each of those services one at a time, they just have them immediately. And who says you'll even know that your stuff was compromised?

I'm a bit of a crank though. I don't do any of the smart home stuff. I see my phone as a necessary evil. If some company shoehorned an app or a WiFi connection into their product, I don't buy it. After being in tech long enough, I just want things that work for me, not for the company I bought them from.

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