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Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #145
derefr wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It is a speech issue, even if not a legal issue, if you can pay Google to shut down random accounts that say things you don't like. The ToS violation is a red herring. I think we here all presume that interested parties can pay corporations to do anything that is both legal, and which remains within the letter of the contracts (e.g. Terms of Service) that the corporation has entered into; and that the only thing st…

Grammarly is not paying for this. Grammarly is not involved or even concerned in any way. This is not even a "hack" but rather trying to use Grammarly for something it was not designed for, and showing it does not work for that. "Ok, duh, and thank you for your interest in Grammarly..." The plagiarism check is for self-checking, as in users making sure they did not miss any quotations and references in their work, an…

We continued our discussion in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29933516#29947146

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #169
evilksandr wrote: post #160

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Grammarly has a separate plagiarism checker https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker which was in my report

Oleksandre, you got an official response that this is by design. I explained why. This is a landing page, not a separate product, and the description of the plagiarism feature clearly states it's not for policing: "...Our free plagiarism check will tell you whether or not your text contains duplicate content. Our Premium plagiarism check highlights passages that require citations and gives you the resources you need…

We continued our discussion in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29933516#29947146

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

evilksandr wrote: post #174
XCSme wrote: post #172

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It's a nice find, but I still fail to see how it is a vulnerability or a security issue.

I posted a case to HackerOne with the intent to warn against this behavior and with the weakness type "Business Logic Errors". Please, read in my report section "Impact" and my answer about the potentional impact of the reported behavior. But, as maxltv clarified, it's not a policing tool but an authoring tool and described use of the product violate their TOS. My case is relevant if clients use it as a policing tool…

We continued our discussion in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29933516#29947146

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #152
Sosh101 wrote: post #3

I wonder how much money Grammarly have spent with youtube.

That would be irrelevant in this case. Grammarly has no issues with the videos, as the company stated in the official responses on HackerOne. Grammarly's plagiarism self-check is to help its users avoid accidental or unintentional plagiarism by highlighting text that may need citations. If a user is using countermeasures to mask plagiarism, it's not accidental or unintentional, so Grammarly stays out of it. Grammarly…

We continued our discussion in this thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29933516#29947146

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by maxltv »

evilksandr wrote: post #180
maxltv wrote: post #170

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Yes, please feel free to mention that to Youtube. If it helps, I can get the company (Grammarly) to officially confirm that the videos are not a problem if Youtube needs a confirmation. But I am absolutely certain this is by design, and that's why there was no change. It's not a policing tool but an authoring tool. What you described in #5 is not an intended use of the product and is a violation of TOS.

For the whole picture, please show where in the Grammarly's ToS it is forbidden to use Grammarly as a policing tool And what about checking student papers for plagiarism by teachers as part of the https://www.grammarly.com/edu product? I found an article that clearly describes how to use Gramarly to check student work for plagiarism https://rasmussen.libanswers.com/faculty/faq/270050 It looks like a policing tool, is…

It's not forbidden, but it will not work for this purpose as well as a purpose-built enforcement tool. For example, if two students submit the same paper, Grammarly will not flag it, also by design. Faculty still benefits a lot from this because a lot of plagiarism is unintentional or "lazy" - as in students not citing sources, due to ignorance or laziness, rather than students intentionally committing academic dishonesty.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by maxltv »

evilksandr wrote: post #175
maxltv wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, please feel free to mention that to Youtube. If it helps, I can get the company (Grammarly) to officially confirm that the videos are not a problem if Youtube needs a confirmation. But I am absolutely certain this is by design, and that's why there was no change. It's not a policing tool but an authoring tool. What you described in #5 is not an intended use of the product and is a violation of TOS.

If you don't mind, it would be great if Grammarly's official Twitter account would confirm for @teamyoutube your words in my post, as they stopped noticing my messages to them... Your explanation of how you position this tool clears up our dispute. My case (in which the possible impact was described) is relevant if your clients use it as a policing tool.

What tweet do you need Grammarly to respond to with the confirmation?

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #186
evilksandr wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind, it would be great if Grammarly's official Twitter account would confirm for @teamyoutube your words in my post, as they stopped noticing my messages to them... Your explanation of how you position this tool clears up our dispute. My case (in which the possible impact was described) is relevant if your clients use it as a policing tool.

What tweet do you need Grammarly to respond to with the confirmation?

Exactly what you wrote, with some context, something like "We officially confirm that these videos are not a problem for Grammarly, not about hacking and demonstrated behavior not affect the security and privacy of our product", nothing else. Thanks!

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by maxltv »

manquer wrote: post #177
maxltv wrote: post #168

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There is no separate product - it is a feature of the main product. Please point out where documentation says it's for enforcement because that will need to be corrected. It can help teachers educate students about plagiarism but it's not meant for enforcement. It's a student tool. Here is the text from the linked landing page describing the plagiarism checker feature (emphasis mine): Our free plagiarism check will t…

From the page linked > "Who Benefits from Grammarly’s Plagiarism Checker? Whether you’re a student writing an essay, a teacher grading papers , or a writer working on original content for the web, a plagiarism scan will not only save you time, but also help you avoid writing mistakes." ( emphasis mine) Grammarly Sales has always sold it to academic institutions and teachers, it is must be news to them it is not meant…

Universities license Grammarly primarily for their students, but instructors also can use it as an aid to educate students about the importance of citing sources. The plagiarism checker is a feature of the main product and cannot be licensed without the main product. These are verifiable facts.

In any case, Grammarly does not include a number of plagiarism policy enforcement features intentionally and by design, due to its focus on supporting authors rather than policing. Any insinuation of otherwise is false.

Please stop pretending to know more about the plans and intentions of a company than the company itself and posting falsehoods.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by maxltv »

evilksandr wrote: post #187
maxltv wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What tweet do you need Grammarly to respond to with the confirmation?

Exactly what you wrote, with some context, something like "We officially confirm that these videos are not a problem for Grammarly, not about hacking and demonstrated behavior not affect the security and privacy of our product", nothing else. Thanks!

I do not think just tweeting at Youtube out of nowhere will work or is even appropriate (it would spam the feeds of a massive number of people). If you have a Twitter conversation with Youtube, I can probably have Grammarly chime in with a confirmation that it's not hacking. So please give me a link to such a conversation.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #189
evilksandr wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly what you wrote, with some context, something like "We officially confirm that these videos are not a problem for Grammarly, not about hacking and demonstrated behavior not affect the security and privacy of our product", nothing else. Thanks!

I do not think just tweeting at Youtube out of nowhere will work or is even appropriate (it would spam the feeds of a massive number of people). If you have a Twitter conversation with Youtube, I can probably have Grammarly chime in with a confirmation that it's not hacking. So please give me a link to such a conversation.

Oh, sorry, I meant replying to a tweet that linked to the current post on HN https://twitter.com/evilksandr/status/1479507618066571268

But in this thread, when I involved my friend (with whom we made several ЕdТech startups and who was also had a channel suspension issue), I had a conversation with @TeamYouTube https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1479514052984549385

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