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Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by XCSme »

maxltv wrote: post #155

A Grammarly team member but posting own thoughts to clarify some things. First, Grammarly has nothing to do with this suspension and does not have any problem with the videos in question, just as mentioned in the official HackerOne response. Second, this is not a hack or even a flaw. It is an attempt to use Grammarly for a NON-INTENDED purpose, that predictably did not work. Grammarly is not meant for anti-plagiarism…

I agree with you, I don't think the bug report was a security issue or even a bug. It's like telling Google that searching for bananas returns pictures of apples and reporting it as a vulnerability because self-driving cars might use the Google results as training data.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by XCSme »

evilksandr wrote: post #166
autobash wrote: post #165

For anyone interested here is a test you can do on https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker Will be detected as plagiarism > But with ahab the question assumed a modified aspect. considering that with two legs man is but a hobbling wight in all times of danger; considering that the pursuit of whales is always under great and extraordinary difficulties; that every individual moment, indeed, then comprises a peril;…

"The described behavior is a functionality limitation that does not affect the security and privacy of our product" they said.

It's a nice find, but I still fail to see how it is a vulnerability or a security issue.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by rurban »

So I got really scared and deleted all my YouTube videos from the green revolution in Teheran. I reposted them there from inside contacts who had no YouTube access. But now it looks like Google is even more dangerous than the Persian secret services.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

XCSme wrote: post #172
evilksandr wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The described behavior is a functionality limitation that does not affect the security and privacy of our product" they said.

It's a nice find, but I still fail to see how it is a vulnerability or a security issue.

I posted a case to HackerOne with the intent to warn against this behavior and with the weakness type "Business Logic Errors". Please, read in my report section "Impact" and my answer about the potentional impact of the reported behavior.

But, as maxltv clarified, it's not a policing tool but an authoring tool and described use of the product violate their TOS. My case is relevant if clients use it as a policing tool.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #170
evilksandr wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your detailed answer. Let me post my thoughts: 1. 3 years ago I conducted research on almost all online tools which check for plagiarism with free access or using a trial account. Tool, located with URL https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker was one of them because "Grammarly’s plagiarism checker can detect plagiarism from billions of web pages as well as from ProQuest’s academic databases." 2. I rep…

Yes, please feel free to mention that to Youtube. If it helps, I can get the company (Grammarly) to officially confirm that the videos are not a problem if Youtube needs a confirmation. But I am absolutely certain this is by design, and that's why there was no change. It's not a policing tool but an authoring tool. What you described in #5 is not an intended use of the product and is a violation of TOS.

If you don't mind, it would be great if Grammarly's official Twitter account would confirm for @teamyoutube your words in my post, as they stopped noticing my messages to them...

Your explanation of how you position this tool clears up our dispute. My case (in which the possible impact was described) is relevant if your clients use it as a policing tool.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

rurban wrote: post #173

So I got really scared and deleted all my YouTube videos from the green revolution in Teheran. I reposted them there from inside contacts who had no YouTube access. But now it looks like Google is even more dangerous than the Persian secret services.

They constantly update their ToS, but in order to protect themselves from lawsuits

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by manquer »

maxltv wrote: post #168
manquer wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The product that he is talking about it specifically their plagiarism checker[1] Their own documentation says the product is also for teachers to enforce rules. This poster keeps making the same incorrect claims in multiple places in this thread, even after the original author clarifed it to him. [1] https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker

There is no separate product - it is a feature of the main product. Please point out where documentation says it's for enforcement because that will need to be corrected. It can help teachers educate students about plagiarism but it's not meant for enforcement. It's a student tool. Here is the text from the linked landing page describing the plagiarism checker feature (emphasis mine): Our free plagiarism check will t…

From the page linked

> "Who Benefits from Grammarly’s Plagiarism Checker? Whether you’re a student writing an essay, a teacher grading papers, or a writer working on original content for the web, a plagiarism scan will not only save you time, but also help you avoid writing mistakes." ( emphasis mine)

Grammarly Sales has always sold it to academic institutions and teachers, it is must be news to them it is not meant for policing.

The four customers highlighted (Arizona State University, University of Phoenix, California State University, Ashford University ) on the page are all education institutions who most certainly use it for policing.

Also it is product and not feature because it is sold standalone and does not depend on license to their more well known grammar checking product to work.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #170
evilksandr wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your detailed answer. Let me post my thoughts: 1. 3 years ago I conducted research on almost all online tools which check for plagiarism with free access or using a trial account. Tool, located with URL https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker was one of them because "Grammarly’s plagiarism checker can detect plagiarism from billions of web pages as well as from ProQuest’s academic databases." 2. I rep…

Yes, please feel free to mention that to Youtube. If it helps, I can get the company (Grammarly) to officially confirm that the videos are not a problem if Youtube needs a confirmation. But I am absolutely certain this is by design, and that's why there was no change. It's not a policing tool but an authoring tool. What you described in #5 is not an intended use of the product and is a violation of TOS.

Once again. It would be great if you confirm from Grammarly's twitter account that my videos are not a problem. If this is the only reason for the suspension of my channel I hope it helps to reinstate the channel.

Re: YouTube suspended my channel for a video with disclosed issue in Grammarly

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Post by evilksandr »

maxltv wrote: post #170
evilksandr wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your detailed answer. Let me post my thoughts: 1. 3 years ago I conducted research on almost all online tools which check for plagiarism with free access or using a trial account. Tool, located with URL https://www.grammarly.com/plagiarism-checker was one of them because "Grammarly’s plagiarism checker can detect plagiarism from billions of web pages as well as from ProQuest’s academic databases." 2. I rep…

Yes, please feel free to mention that to Youtube. If it helps, I can get the company (Grammarly) to officially confirm that the videos are not a problem if Youtube needs a confirmation. But I am absolutely certain this is by design, and that's why there was no change. It's not a policing tool but an authoring tool. What you described in #5 is not an intended use of the product and is a violation of TOS.

For the whole picture, please show where in the Grammarly's ToS it is forbidden to use Grammarly as a policing tool And what about checking student papers for plagiarism by teachers as part of the https://www.grammarly.com/edu product? I found an article that clearly describes how to use Gramarly to check student work for plagiarism https://rasmussen.libanswers.com/faculty/faq/270050 It looks like a policing tool, isn't it? Is this a violation of ToS?
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