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How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I think a key issue is that generally the person designing a house isn't the same person who will be paying the energy bills in 30 years time. Few people will pay a lot extra for a better insulated house. The end result is that the cheapest insulation allowed by law is used rather than something that costs more today but saves a lot in the long run. I wonder if a solution to this problem might take the form of "We'll…

> I think a key issue is that generally the person designing a house isn't the same person who will be paying the energy bills in 30 years time.

Those who build homes must typically be planning on staying at least a few years in them though, say 10? Insulation is pretty cheap compared to running an AC in a poorly insulated home. Also it's not just a cost issue, it's more about comfort. Sleeping in a cool space without an AC blasting is worth something too.

The person designing the building codes though is the person responsible for the energy use and supply of the country, it's CO2 emissions and so on. So slowly getting more efficient building codes seems like it should be universal.

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The next most effective thing to do is External wall insulation. However that'll mean that you'll loose the whinstone look. (unless you pay a _lot_ to get whinstone like shims put on after) The alternative is to have internal wall insulation: https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/vacutherm-vac... This is as effective as ~150mm of rockwool, but only 20mm thick. So this can be stuck behind plaster/plasterboard…

I followed your link, but am confused and/or doubtful: how do you replace 150mm of rockwool with 20mm of anything other than a good vacuum? It says that they are 'very low internal pressure' - but if it contains any kind of gas (which i presume it must do - air if nothing else) then the conductivity does not depend on pressure until the mean-free-path has increased to be > the width of the container. Is this product…

It is a good vacuum. They work but are expensive and a single nail destroys the whole panel, but maybe cheaper than the loss of floor space.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I've also built a simple and small (99sqm) PassivHaus in Romania, 5 years ago. Everybody, and I mean everybody from family to friends called me nuts, but I've got my payback this winter when the energy prices went trough the roof and I'm just slightly affected. The house is elevated from the ground on 12 concrete columns so that I can insulate under the foundation beams using glass foam, insulation on walls is 30 cm…

It is interesting that you insulate under the house. One of the more intriguing passive house designs I saw was one where the insulation went down 2-3m into the ground all around the house footprint. This trapped the natural ground heat within that area and fed it upwards into the house. It took about 18 months for the ground to warm up, but once it was there, the ground/house warmed itself with virtually no input. T…

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Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I'd love to see them try this in Sweden :)

There are plenty of passive houses in Sweden.

They are quite different in construction though. The insulation on this house corresponds to a garage in the nordics today, or how the building code looked in the 1970s and 1980s. Today the code requires twice this much insulation for a normal home (around 300mm), and it's still nowhere near a passive one.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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First of all, if you build a PassivHaus in normal climate (not cold) you will be amazed to see that you do not need a heat pump, you can just use normal electric boiler for hot water and use electric underfloor heating mats for heating, or infrared panels mounted on the roof. On the other side, air-to-air heat pumps have gotten cheaper by the year, you can buy a decent heat pump (NIBE) with about 4500-5000 euros.

Electric boilers are extremely energy inefficient compared with heat pumps. If you built a Passive House, not going the extra mile for a heat pump seems silly to me. Not to mention that heat pumps can easily protect you against heatwaves (should any happen).

True Passivhaus needs less than 1000W of heating ever; at that point the expense of heat pump is unnecessary for something rarely used.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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The next most effective thing to do is External wall insulation. However that'll mean that you'll loose the whinstone look. (unless you pay a _lot_ to get whinstone like shims put on after) The alternative is to have internal wall insulation: https://www.insulationsuperstore.co.uk/product/vacutherm-vac... This is as effective as ~150mm of rockwool, but only 20mm thick. So this can be stuck behind plaster/plasterboard…

Yes, it's one of the top recommendations (internal wall insulation) on my EPC and have had a survey. 60mm PIR boards would be used. Turns out I wouldn't have to sacrifice much space but would have to pay a bit extra replacing the cornices. There are some regional grants in the UK that can cover a large portion of the amount. For me, it is £7.5K, with the quote I received at £9K. This would not have covered the kitche…

Had to sign up for this. Take extra care to use appropriate materials for a house this age or you'll create more problems than you solve. Solid stone walls need to breathe!

Make sure you've spoken with a surveyor specialising in heritage property too.

PIR boards are almost certainly unsuitable.

https://www.victorian-house.co.uk/ (be sure to pick up a copy of the Haynes Victorian House manual, it's a gem)

https://www.lime.org.uk/community/boards-insulation.html

I'm currently having to undo poor choices of modernisation on a building of the same age, which caused tremendous problems with damp.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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While this is at the extreme end of the spectrum, there is a much easier way to save lots of energy: just build modern well-insulated homes. I lived in California and I was appalled at the monstrous energy waste: houses are generally made pretty much from cardboard. You need to cool them in summertime and heat them in wintertime, and the energy expenditure is enormous. I now live in Poland and have recently built sma…

Don't forget to mention that insulating roof is just as important. Otherwise, heat will happily escape over your head.

Yes, I wasn't stating the obvious: you need to insulate the floor and roof as well. For example, reinforced concrete foundation slabs are usually placed over XPS foam boards here. There are many ways to do this, my point was that you don't have to go to extremes to get impressive benefits of modern insulation.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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5% return per year (or more in case of price changes or regulations forcing you to change heating source) does not seem that "philosophical".

I don't understand fully your way of reasoning. A normal house costs - say - 200,000 "units" (dollars, euro, whatever). Making it "energy saving" costs an additional 60,000 units. In 20 years time you will be spending 60,000 units (3,000 per year) less for energy costs (and here we are assuming that ventilation and heating/cooling machines in the "better" house have the same maintenance costs than the ones in "normal…

Not only "philosophical", better insulated houses are also more comfortable.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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I'm kind of curious what weather range they are talking about. As someone from Canada, i somehow don't think this would work over here in the -40 winter.

Does not work at all. In Finland we have disastrous situation with pre-90's "Bottle"-houses with air-tight insulation. Not enough circulation and dangerous mildew blooms.

All this lower 50's German crap about heat pumps and heat exchanges does not make much sense. Once again. Not a surprise.

Re: How to build homes with virtually no heating (2020)

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Some guidelines for better, healthier, low energy, low cost house construction:

Understand basic physics.

Avoid the architecture-of-the-week construction trends.

Set your targets: Size vs cost? How long do you expect to live there? Price of energy vs better insulation? Maintenance: type, frequency, amount, cost? How important is it for you to reduce the environmental impact? Start small and expand later, or start big and later rent out part of the house?

Stay open minded about the solutions and designs. This makes a huge difference. The building codes and municipal restrictions are often the most limiting factors on how "good" a house you can build. Don't add _unnecessary_ restrictions on top of that. Look around at different solutions, not just what the local construction companies offer. Travel and see how things are solved in other countries.

Use simple construction methods and design. Reduce the number of construction tasks necessary, and make each task simple. A significant real world problem with normal passivhaus construction is that while designed well, they are often very complex to actually build, and small mistakes by the construction crew can have a large impact on the energy requirements as well as cause health hazards.

Well insulated windows, walls, floor and ceiling also drastically improve the comfort feeling of the house, not just the energy bill. When done right and coupled with properly designed ventilation they also improve the health aspects of the indoor environment.

Many low energy houses built today require that the indoor air is kept very dry when the temperature difference between inside and outside increases. This has a lot of negative health effects. By choosing different insulation and interior materials they can be made to allow high indoor humidity. Your lungs, throat, nose, eyes and skin will thank you. Internal humidity around 50-60% also reduces air transmission of many viruses.

Thermal mass is mentioned in some other posts here. Make sure to place it inside the insulation layer, not on the outside. Water and stone have similar high volumetric specific heat capacity. By using water circuits and storage, the mass can be moved out of the way, and often coupled to very efficient heating/cooling systems.

We have developed a construction toolbox for houses and industrial buildings with very low total life cycle CO2 footprint, suitable for climates down to around 0C annual average temperature (northern Scandinavia, around the polar circle). They are fast and cheap to build and provide superb internal environment. If you're interested in more info I'm happy to share. You can ping us at StoneWoodGreyBeard at gmail.

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