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Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by the_doctah »

twofornone wrote: post #24

Record cases across the planet regardless of vaccination rates...how much longer until official sources are willing to acknowledge that these vaccines are not nearly as effective as claimed? How long before official sources acknowledge that breakthrough cases are probably drastically underreported? I can't be the only one surrounded by fully vaccinated individuals testing positive. Its happening far too often for me…

I remember right before the Pfizer vaccine came out they touted it as being "95% effective". Like what does that even mean? Clearly it was nonsense.

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Post by ceejayoz »

Vthrowaway153 wrote: post #92
heavyset_go wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put this in perspective, the unvaccinated are 400% more likely to catch COVID than the vaccinated, and they're 1,200% more like to die from COVID than the vaccinated[1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Note that this data is pre-omicron.

We've got some Omicron data that shows similar results. Massive gap between unvaccinated and vaccinated case/death/hospitalization rates. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/11/briefing/omicron-deaths-v... has charts.

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Post by [deleted] »

cthalupa wrote: post #107
timr wrote: post #65

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> I'm sorry but I'm not understanding the logic. The booster was recommended after several rounds of research across multiple countries suggested it was a good idea, with Israel doing some of the first testing and reaching the conclusion that it was worthwhile (and it was, by a substantial margin). You are misinformed. There is a paucity of data supporting boosters, what little exists is for people over 65 (to be fai…

I mean, I can just dump a bunch of links to studies and details about how boosters are highly effective, even for young people. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-... https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/10/1/23/pdf https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2022/01/no-omicron-im... https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-021-01575-4 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.13.21267748v... https:…

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Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by landemva »

threeseed wrote: post #49
version_five wrote: post #18

If I understand correctly, israel mandates a third shot (to do normal stuff), as do many places in north america, either now or soon. And I can only imagine many people would be happy to mandate a fourth as soon as possible. What I find most frustrating is that politicians are happy to make these mandates live, during an ongoing situation where we actually don't know a lot about how effective things are (and in the c…

a) Billions of doses of vaccines have been administered. We know a lot about their effectiveness. b) Current vaccines with a booster are effective at preventing hospitalisations. It is enough to get the world through Omicron but special vaccines maybe useful for those who are immuno-compromised. c) Children have been forced to take vaccines for decades. It's not new. d) People trust their government every day. Who do…

MSHA has no Covid mandates, including virus masks. Having worked at sites regulated by MSHA, I respect their safety mandates. OSHA is ineffective and now politicized.

UL tests electrical devices for safety. I would prefer more voluntary certification and testing organizations.

The roads in my town are owned by the property owners, as it should be.

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Post by scottwd9 »

not2b wrote: post #5

There are two separate questions: Does an extra booster prevent infection? Does an extra booster reduce hospitalizations and deaths? Seems this study only addressed the first question. But instead of giving a fourth shot based on the OG Covid, seems an updated version based on omicron, delta, and any new variants of concern would be a better idea.

There's no need for a variant-specific booster. The vaccines are still very effective at preventing severe disease with Omicron. Just like they were with Delta.

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Post by MichaelMoser123 »

kittiepryde wrote: post #86
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure about this, lockdowns are having profound psychological implications, especially on the young ones. A child can't be expected to sit in a zoom session all day, it's simply not possible.

Source?

you can ask just about any family with kids; you can also google it, there are plenty of studies on the subject. Here is a ready made query on the subject; https://www.google.com/search?q=impact+of+lockdown+on+childr...

Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by yucky »

andrei_says_ wrote: post #72
threeseed wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a) Billions of doses of vaccines have been administered. We know a lot about their effectiveness. b) Current vaccines with a booster are effective at preventing hospitalisations. It is enough to get the world through Omicron but special vaccines maybe useful for those who are immuno-compromised. c) Children have been forced to take vaccines for decades. It's not new. d) People trust their government every day. Who do…

In the US hospitals are private, charge astronomical amounts for the tiniest things and their price lists are secret. It is horrifying, brutal, inhumane. Also hospitals intentionally understaff, and pay their staff the absolute minimum while paying millions and millions to their CEOs. In addition to recommending procedures treatments and drugs as profit maximizers.

>Also hospitals intentionally understaff, and pay their staff the absolute minimum

Nurses and doctors make more in the US than any other country. Are you referring to other support staff?

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

kittiepryde wrote: post #76
FridayoLeary wrote: post #54

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It's moving the goalpoasts. The reason the vaccine enjoyed so much initial support was because it was supposed to make covid go away. The politicians seem to think even though the reality has changed, support for the vaccine has remained constant.

That's not really how vaccines work. No force fields are deployed, you'll still catch COVID, but, you're immune system is now got some training in how to handle the situation. I don't remember the promise that, the vaccine would end COVID, I do remember seeing somewhere that if vaccination rates were high enough ( greater than 90%??, been quite awhile now since I read that article ) that herd immunity could be achiev…

> That's not really how vaccines work. No force fields are deployed, you'll still catch COVID, but, you're immune system is now got some training in how to handle the situation.

We do have and continue to make "sterilizing vaccines" which for nearly all common use of the words do "deploy force fields". The small pox vaccine was one of the best examples, the measles vaccine is also up there. The COVID vaccines just aren't as good and people aren't educated enough to understand why some vaccines are basically perfect while the COVID ones aren't.

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

Vthrowaway153 wrote: post #92
heavyset_go wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put this in perspective, the unvaccinated are 400% more likely to catch COVID than the vaccinated, and they're 1,200% more like to die from COVID than the vaccinated[1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Note that this data is pre-omicron.

I think it’s hard to get good data anymore since so many people are vaccinated. I’ve heard one news outlet report that some scientists were trying to analyse the unvaccinated data only and initial findings were showing Omicron may be just as bad as Alpha. But small sample size etc etc so we really don’t know.

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Post by dgfitz »

kittiepryde wrote: post #86
MichaelMoser123 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not quite sure about this, lockdowns are having profound psychological implications, especially on the young ones. A child can't be expected to sit in a zoom session all day, it's simply not possible.

Source?

Parents.
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