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Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by kittiepryde »

rhema wrote: post #41

I was thinking about immunity generally, from a Shannon information theory perspective. It's impossible that the human body has an infinite ability to absorb immunity, because otherwise we could store an infinite amount of information. Therefore, there must be some kind of forgetting that happens. Likewise, the body can only learn so much from repeated exposure. Is anyone aware of any writing that explains immunity f…

https://www.cell.com/trends/cancer/fulltext/S2405-8033(20)30...

Looks early on, inconclusive atm, but interesting ( this is specifically applied to cancer and not a viral infection )

Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by Vthrowaway153 »

heavyset_go wrote: post #83
shock-value wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and in the case of the latest variant, we know they are not effective I assume you are talking about stopping spread, which could be accurate. I further assume you are not referring to reducing illness severity, because they obviously are effective at that. But that benefit extends beyond the individual insofar as it reduces strain on the overall healthcare system -- ensuring that even those who have injuries or il…

To put this in perspective, the unvaccinated are 400% more likely to catch COVID than the vaccinated, and they're 1,200% more like to die from COVID than the vaccinated[1]. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html

Note that this data is pre-omicron.

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Post by Proven »

heavyset_go wrote: post #61
version_five wrote: post #18

If I understand correctly, israel mandates a third shot (to do normal stuff), as do many places in north america, either now or soon. And I can only imagine many people would be happy to mandate a fourth as soon as possible. What I find most frustrating is that politicians are happy to make these mandates live, during an ongoing situation where we actually don't know a lot about how effective things are (and in the c…

> I have my three shots, but I'm terrified now that the precident is set that a government can force me to take something that I might not want to. That precedent was already set by the Supreme Court in Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905.

No post body was provided.

Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by jimkleiber »

ErikVandeWater wrote: post #35
version_five wrote: post #18

If I understand correctly, israel mandates a third shot (to do normal stuff), as do many places in north america, either now or soon. And I can only imagine many people would be happy to mandate a fourth as soon as possible. What I find most frustrating is that politicians are happy to make these mandates live, during an ongoing situation where we actually don't know a lot about how effective things are (and in the c…

> When was the last time anyone actually trusted a government? My feeling is that people trust the government to the extent it does things their perceived enemies dislike. It's not about evaluating what's good for yourself or others; just knowing that your enemy dislikes it is a good enough signal that it's the right thing to do. Also, if your perceived enemy likes something that happens, that means it was automatica…

I'd add that most of us probably trust most governments a lot more than we think we do, especially in the US.

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Post by [deleted] »

version_five wrote: post #18

If I understand correctly, israel mandates a third shot (to do normal stuff), as do many places in north america, either now or soon. And I can only imagine many people would be happy to mandate a fourth as soon as possible. What I find most frustrating is that politicians are happy to make these mandates live, during an ongoing situation where we actually don't know a lot about how effective things are (and in the c…

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Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by kittiepryde »

giantg2 wrote: post #55
robbrown451 wrote: post #42

I'm curious about the argument that giving too many boosters takes away the vaccine from "people in low and middle-income countries." Surely we have the capacity to make enough vaccines for everyone by now. It's just a matter of economics. Giving more boosters really shouldn't reduce supply, if there is money to make vaccines for everyone in the lower income countries, they will be made.

We don't have the capacity to vaccinate the whole world every 6 months.

https://launchandscalefaster.org/covid-19/vaccinemanufacturi...

But, we could, at 12 billion doses a year already realizable, getting to 14+ isn't far fetched -- distribution and convincing people to take them would be much more challenging. I'm not which of distribution and cooperation is the hardest, but, manufacturing is certainly not the blocker.

Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by nathanaldensr »

heavyset_go wrote: post #61
version_five wrote: post #18

If I understand correctly, israel mandates a third shot (to do normal stuff), as do many places in north america, either now or soon. And I can only imagine many people would be happy to mandate a fourth as soon as possible. What I find most frustrating is that politicians are happy to make these mandates live, during an ongoing situation where we actually don't know a lot about how effective things are (and in the c…

> I have my three shots, but I'm terrified now that the precident is set that a government can force me to take something that I might not want to. That precedent was already set by the Supreme Court in Jacobson v. Massachusetts in 1905.

It's well known by now that that case specifically addresses a state, not the federal government, and that it was a matter of a fine, not a forced injection.

Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by ulfw »

Retric wrote: post #31
momirlan wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is "immunity in general" for you ? This shot is not vitamin C

Presumably they are referring to other strains of COVID rather than say AIDS. I don’t know if that’s true or false, but it’s best to take peoples statements in a reasonable context.

Considering Omicron is about to outcompete every single other variant I am not sure what 'general immunity' means in this context either.

If anyone one could assume that an Omicron specific booster would help better with future variants as those would likely spring up through changes of the current Omicron virus rather than wild type.

Re: Israel Finds Fourth Covid Booster Is Ineffective

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Post by polishdude20 »

threeseed wrote: post #49
version_five wrote: post #18

If I understand correctly, israel mandates a third shot (to do normal stuff), as do many places in north america, either now or soon. And I can only imagine many people would be happy to mandate a fourth as soon as possible. What I find most frustrating is that politicians are happy to make these mandates live, during an ongoing situation where we actually don't know a lot about how effective things are (and in the c…

a) Billions of doses of vaccines have been administered. We know a lot about their effectiveness. b) Current vaccines with a booster are effective at preventing hospitalisations. It is enough to get the world through Omicron but special vaccines maybe useful for those who are immuno-compromised. c) Children have been forced to take vaccines for decades. It's not new. d) People trust their government every day. Who do…

I mean, d) is sort of a bad reason. Consider this is probably what the USSR said to it's citizens when communism was killing millions of people.
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