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Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by vanusa »

pendar747 wrote: post #394
vanusa wrote: post #174

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That's very nice to think about but in the real world if people don't match some exact keywords they get thrown away. This isn't the "real world" you're referring to here -- it's the fin-de-big-tech bubble world where everyone and their dog is not only sold, smack-down drunk on the idea that Algorithms and Data are the Solution to Your Problems. They aren't of course -- it's just a giant hornswoggle. This "world" nee…

> It's "Node.js" with a dot. If you spell it "nodejs", that's a serious red flag and you shouldn't be surprised if it gets you automatically discarded -- even by a human reviewer. Best example of someone I wouldn't want to work for ever

And that's the beauty of it - it's a perfect filter, both ways.

Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by vanusa »

skinkestek wrote: post #309
vanusa wrote: post #233

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Giving them a spell check is about as useful as measuring the ratio of times the letter ‘a’ appears relative to ‘e’. I'll leave the matter of whether one should be expect resumes to be at least reasonably correct (in terms of spelling and grammar) or not - or what the threshold for "reasonably" should be on this front - to the side for now. It's obviously a question of taste, to a certain degree. But sorry - what you…

Well. These days I think I work at the best team I ever worked on and it seems I'm in the top two in spelling, it is almost as if the rest if the team is mildly dyslexic or doesn't care. But they are nice to work with, smart and they make good code. I'll take them 49 times out of 50 over some perfect in code and writing but nasty in person ex colleagues. Even if I really really really need a specialist on hight perfo…

Am 100 percent with you there - nice and basically decent to work with always trumps the willful disregard for these basic qualities. No matter how skilled they are, or their accomplishments.

Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by vanusa »

saurik wrote: post #286
colejohnson66 wrote: post #269

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I’d say they are. Who cares if I write “Nodejs” or “Node.js”? The reader knows exactly what I meant, and that’s what matters. Anything else is just needless pedantry.

I mean, software is almost entirely pedantry by its very nature.

You've nailed it.

It really does require an eye for detail (in places where it matters) to a degree that comes epsilon close to being "pedantic" in the annoying sense -- without quite going over that line.

Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by vanusa »

imwillofficial wrote: post #278
vanusa wrote: post #244

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I guess I'll backpedal at this point and acknowledge that that "nodejs" may in fact be not only a correct and accepted spelling -- but in fact a hip "in-the-know" spelling -- within a certain community. But at this point we're getting into the territory of what's seen as a positive in some niche communities may not be seen as a positive signal outside that community. And in business communications, what masters most…

Then you being outside the community, have done nothing but filter out the best candidates by focusing on the wrong details under the banner of “attention to detail” It’s ego. What is the résumé’s job? To convey experience and work in a positive light. A small typo that may incidentally be the correct spelling shouldn’t derail that if the goal is to hire the most talented people.

Again, I do stand corrected.

To my defense, I was going by my Bayesian prior for certain language names for which one could be 100 percent sure there was no alternate accepted spelling or capitalization.

So if one put JAVA or PERL on their resume, that would generate a definite "pass" signal.

Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by vanusa »

mavhc wrote: post #391
vanusa wrote: post #219

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[Regarding] 'Equifax-like companies that verify all the bullet points' I'm sorry to inform you that's already happening. Specifically? Yes there are obviously companies that strip mine every nugget of "data" they can possibly find about an individual, and then pass this along to whoever may be willing to buy, garbage-in, garbage-out style. But actually verifying that this information has anything to do with the real…

Shouldn't a universal Resume format also include digitally signed proof of your claims of degrees and certifications?

I guess it would have to. And that's precisely where the true horror lies in such an idea.

Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by bookofjoe »

bruce511 wrote: post #267
kortilla wrote: post #183

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> That's what resumes used to be, after all -- a kind of a take-home test where you really do have enough time (and perfect knowledge) to get everything 100 percent right. The only thing this filters for is people who have been looking for a job for a long time and/or are people focused on presentation instead of content, good luck with that. We’ve hired incredible engineers across that have had typos and major resum…

It's not about communication, or spelling, or grammar, it's about attention to detail. I've seen my fair share of resumes and hired my fair share of people, and I've come to the conclusion that sloppy, error-ridden, CVs are a sign of a lack of attention to detail. Here's a candidate with all the time in the world, and huge motivation, and they still can't complete this task correctly. It's not a good look. I'm not sa…

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Re: Why isn't there a universal data format for résumés?

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Post by cultofmetatron »

withinboredom wrote: post #297
onion2k wrote: post #291

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HR is looking for "node.js" but you wrote it like "nodejs"? Though luck pal, bye. HR wants a "computer scientist" but you have a degree in "computer science"? Same, automatically discarded. Fixing that would require not only a universal data format but also a universal taxonomy of terms to describe skills. That would need everyone to agree on how to describe what they do. Easy enough when you're describing programmin…

I'm pretty sure my Resume says "crazy outside-the-box madman" on it somewhere near the top. It pretty much guarantees that I work somewhere with a sense of humor while rejected from places that take themselves too seriously. Resumes aren't just a list of skills and work history (education isn't even on my resume anymore), it's also a chance to let a small amount of your personality show through so you stand out again…

I go by "unicorn wrangler" on mine for the same reason
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