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Re: Netflix’s Prices Are Rising Faster Than Cable

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Post by drewg123 »

chollida1 wrote: post #315
ericmay wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren't Apple's shows (and movies?) appealing to you? If you dropped them on HBO I wouldn't know the difference. There are lots of different genres, great actors, and compelling stories. We have Netflix (via T-Mobile), Hulu, Prime, HBO, Disney+ and Apple TV. Some of these (Disney/Hulu) are from family or friends. WE only pay for Prime (probably the lowest quality of all of these) and Apple TV (because of Apple One…

> Why aren't Apple's shows (and movies?) appealing to you? What actual content do they have? I've seen a Beastie boys doc, Ted Lasso and The morning show * edited from Newsroom when my error was pointed out. That's a month's worth of content. What else do they have to justify continuing a subscription? Disney has more content with just the Simpson's episodes alone. Add on top of that the entire Marvel catalog, the en…

I enjoyed "For All Mankind", "See", and "The Invasion". I get it for free due to a laptop purchase. I'm not sure if I'll pay for it once that runs out..

Re: Netflix’s Prices Are Rising Faster Than Cable

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Post by GekkePrutser »

It makes sense as cable is no longer an interesting offering at all. We don't like to sit down at a certain time anymore just because some show is starting. That's so 1985 :) And the 'watch later' options are usually only available for a couple weeks here.

In fact I gave up my live cable 4 years ago and haven't missed it. I only have internet now. I had a service to watch some channels over the internet but cancelled it in 2020 because of covid as there were only doomsday talkshows left. And since that time I didn't miss it at all. Don't think I'll ever go back to live TV. All the news I can get more easily on a webpage.

Having said that the level of fragmentation in video streaming services right now is ridiculous. Eventually the industry will just make piracy mainstream again.

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Post by npteljes »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #122
gentleman11 wrote: post #80

Typical startup play: charge almost nothing for a decade or longer, then raise prices or reduce offerings later on after killing almost every competing offering in the world. This time, there are still several competitors left though. One day these services that aim to replace cable will be basically identical to cable but more expensive, or else there will be a bunch of walled gardens It’s like YouTube will the ad s…

Yep, youtube then wonders why people use adblocks, and publishers wonder why people are starting to pirate again.

This argument is a strawman, come on, is YouTube really wondering about any content consumption habit after being the most popular video portal for more than a decade? It's all just doing business, and all of that is just part of doing business. If enough people block youtube's ad domains, they'll just start embedding them in the video stream. And then just obfuscate the player so that you can't make it skip. Then maybe integrate the whole stack vertically so that you can't do anything with it, because it's encrypted from the server to your display panel. There's no "wondering" here at all.

Re: Netflix’s Prices Are Rising Faster Than Cable

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Post by tptacek »

berberous wrote: post #282
tptacek wrote: post #144

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Discussing only on the merits of their content, and stipulating that this is neither here nor there with respect to Netflix's long-term prospects vs. HBO: Breaking Bad isn't an HBO show. So I assume we're just asking, "has Netflix produced any world-class content". The answer to that is yes. The jewel in their crown, their "Game of Thrones", is clearly Stranger Things. It's undeniably successful, each new season a cu…

I think Stranger Things season 1 had a big buzz to it, but it feels like culturally, it completely dropped off after season 1. I’m sure the fans still like it, but I just don’t hear broad swaths of people talk about it anymore after that. Game of Thrones had far more consistent cultural impact across all seasons (although they managed to nuke its legacy completely with the horrible last season).

They had to C&D a Chicago bar during S2 for completely rebranding around the show. There are still, 3 years after the last season, billboards around here (for random companies) making oblique references to the show. I think it's hard to deny the cultural impact the show had. Again: I'm not saying it's better than Game of Thrones (though: than the last season? probably.)

Re: Netflix’s Prices Are Rising Faster Than Cable

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Post by tptacek »

aphexairlines wrote: post #339
tptacek wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discussing only on the merits of their content, and stipulating that this is neither here nor there with respect to Netflix's long-term prospects vs. HBO: Breaking Bad isn't an HBO show. So I assume we're just asking, "has Netflix produced any world-class content". The answer to that is yes. The jewel in their crown, their "Game of Thrones", is clearly Stranger Things. It's undeniably successful, each new season a cu…

Netflix also won a pile of awards with The Crown, Orange is the New Black, Narcos, The Queen's Gambit, and others.

The Crown too, a good example of something that would be flagship HBO content.

Another thing that's easy to sleep on is that Netflix is much, much better connected to its audience than HBO is to its own. Netflix makes a lot of content that I couldn't be less interested in, but that's probably a strong positive indicator for them; I obsess over The Wire, Deadwood, and Community, and am thus pretty clearly a niche audience. For years, HBO did a good job of serving people like me, to their detriment.

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Post by tshaddox »

chollida1 wrote: post #315
ericmay wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why aren't Apple's shows (and movies?) appealing to you? If you dropped them on HBO I wouldn't know the difference. There are lots of different genres, great actors, and compelling stories. We have Netflix (via T-Mobile), Hulu, Prime, HBO, Disney+ and Apple TV. Some of these (Disney/Hulu) are from family or friends. WE only pay for Prime (probably the lowest quality of all of these) and Apple TV (because of Apple One…

> Why aren't Apple's shows (and movies?) appealing to you? What actual content do they have? I've seen a Beastie boys doc, Ted Lasso and The morning show * edited from Newsroom when my error was pointed out. That's a month's worth of content. What else do they have to justify continuing a subscription? Disney has more content with just the Simpson's episodes alone. Add on top of that the entire Marvel catalog, the en…

Do you mean The Morning Show? The Newsroom was an HBO series that ran for 3 seasons from 2012-2014.

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Post by jancsika »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #193
jancsika wrote: post #140

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HBO Max has more and better content than any of the other ones you listed. * I watched the new Dune on it, a bunch of other new movies are there * most (all?) the Cartoon network stuff like Rick and Morty is there * all the HBO content is there, Jon Oliver, GoT, etc. * it passed the Matrix test. (1. I want to watch the original Matrix. 2. I searched for the Matrix and clicked the result. 3. It streamed the Matrix to…

> * it passed the Matrix test. (1. I want to watch the original Matrix. 2. I searched for the Matrix and clicked the result. 3. It streamed the Matrix to me.) This Matrix test is a great one, I'm going to apply it to a bunch of services and see what I get. I think I might just have a bit of a hangover from how many times HBO Max logged me out and made me log back in via some contorted system with my cable provider th…

> In any case, I freely concede that HBO Max probably does have a higher-quality backlog of content overall – my main point is that a simpler interface can actually make up for lack of content in some cases.

I agree with you there. I find the interface for HBO Max really frustrating.

Also, discoverability is a problem. On Netflix if I do a search for something, I can usually feel ahead of time "in my bones" when the search won't return a result. I think this is because Netflix does a decent job of advertising its niche of content. However, on HBO Max I was actually surprised that Tenet was available on there. I still don't have a good sense of exactly how deep their catalog is.

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Post by mandmandam »

SllX wrote: post #182
redm wrote: post #160

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I'm surprised YouTube isn't on your list. We having streaming services, but my kids mostly watch YouTube.

In previous threads I’ve asked about the same thing and some parents have very strong opinions about what’s available on YouTube. I remember one thread in particular where someone told me that you could find some very strange stuff just by typing a period in the search box (autocomplete does the rest, NSFW if that’s not obvious), and that school age Kids tend to figure this out or share this “trick” amongst themselve…

What the actual fuuuck. Tried searching just a dot and I got a fish cutting video, an indian woman being slapped around, and some creepy horror doll shit.

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Post by npteljes »

fairity wrote: post #115

Why doesn’t Netflix explore adding ads to their viewing experience? Yes, I wouldn’t like ads, but cable’s revenue model is subscription plus ads, so I’m curious why Netflix thinks their optimal revenue model would be any different?

Latest word is that they think that the service is worth more without ads, than with ads.

https://techcrunch.com/2020/01/22/netflix-is-still-saying-no...

Re: Netflix’s Prices Are Rising Faster Than Cable

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Post by gniv »

krinchan wrote: post #239
rjtavares wrote: post #91

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Yeah, it's pretty intentional. IIRC they set a few strategic international markets where they want to be the best content producer. They've been quite successful in that: Lupin (France), Dark (Germany), Money Heist and Elite (Spain); Kingdom and Squid Game (South Korea).

Also there’s a massive blob of Mandarin shows, especially in the Wuxia and Xianxia genres that appeals to both people with a Chinese background and some niche fandoms of those genres. Almost all of my home screen in Netflix is foreign language shows because that’s what’s good on Netflix.

> Almost all of my home screen in Netflix is foreign language shows because that’s what’s good on Netflix.

Yeah, same here. I've watched an obscene amount of kdramas and they are adding new ones all the time.

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