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An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

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Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#71
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The price is nothing but down, down, down. it is not manipulation but just ppl dumping at every opportunity, like bank stocks in 2007-2008 or dotcom stocks in 2000-2002. Would not want to own this.

Down down down huh? https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/bitcoin-logarithmic-g...

Log graphs and almost parallel lines! Perfect tools for dishonest data representation!

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#72
post #6

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How is Elon Musk a relevant opinion on this matter? Even worse, he is well known for astroturfing his own assets.

He knows more than I do, is surrounded by people smarter than I am and has a track record of success and overcoming failures. If I thought I shouldn't listen to Elon Musk because I thought I knew better, then I think my chances of understanding anything about this would be greatly diminished.

He has some amazing successes, but also has a terrible track record in terms of what he says vs what he actually delivers, he is more often way off the mark than he is accurate.

https://www.elonmusk.today/

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#73
post #31

Interesting tidbit: "An aside on NFTs Because they’re “unique” objects, NFTs are a perfect vehicle for wash trading. You can easily ensure you only wash trade to yourself. The common scheme is to wash trade with yourself until some credible dunce buys the NFT from you at your manufactured “fair” value, leaving you to walk away with real money." It's such a stupidly simple idea it's actually brilliant.

This is the real world equivalent to high balling. It’s just that you have to assume every price is washed. This is the actual offer price, not a real price. If you put in a lowball offer I bet they’d eventually sell it to you. Exceptions are famous sets like BAYC

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#74
post #9

Curious - does anyone not think Bitcoin or any other cypto coin is being manipulated?

Depends on what you mean by the manipulation. Many stock, future, precious metal prices are affected by actors who want to temporarily move it for profit. Some are illegal, some perfectly legal.

In what way do you expect Bitcoin to be different? This is a technical question, once you define it one could debate if this particular behavior is present in BTC.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He knows more than I do, is surrounded by people smarter than I am and has a track record of success and overcoming failures. If I thought I shouldn't listen to Elon Musk because I thought I knew better, then I think my chances of understanding anything about this would be greatly diminished.

> He knows more than I do, is surrounded by people smarter than I am and has a track record of success and overcoming failures. He's also got a track history of being massively wrong at times on things that aren't inside his wheelhouse, like confidently predicting the end of COVID by April 2020.

I'm not here to defend Elon Musk, but since he is tentatively experimenting with accepting crypto as payment for some of his products, I assume crypto is in his wheelhouse

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#76
post #62

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What coin is not being manipulated? Even USD is being manipulated by the fed. All the countries manipulate their coins. So the real question is whether a coin is being manipulated, but what kind of manipulation you can accept.

First, let's start by using a valid comparable. Fiat currency has the feature of "medium of exchange", at present BTC does not (technically it does but its adoption for exchange is abysmal). > So the real question is whether a coin is being manipulated, but what kind of manipulation you can accept. The NYSE is a better comparable. In the US we have the SEC which does regulate against market manipulation: https://en.w…

>First, let's start by using a valid comparable. Fiat currency has the feature of "medium of exchange", at present BTC does not (technically it does but its adoption for exchange is abysmal).

You're changing the topic. You asked whether BTC was being manipulated, and were asked to compare to the US dollar. Whether the dollar is as "medium of exchange" has no bearing on that, you're just unhelpfully switching to an unrelated issue that will make the dollar look better in orthogonal ways.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#77
post #31

Interesting tidbit: "An aside on NFTs Because they’re “unique” objects, NFTs are a perfect vehicle for wash trading. You can easily ensure you only wash trade to yourself. The common scheme is to wash trade with yourself until some credible dunce buys the NFT from you at your manufactured “fair” value, leaving you to walk away with real money." It's such a stupidly simple idea it's actually brilliant.

And if you don't have money you can borrow https://mobile.twitter.com/Foone/status/1457749433844568066

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#78
post #33

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It’s not a security, my friend. Crypto is the land of no rules and caveat emptor.

But Bitcoin options on e.g. LedgerX.com are securities (edit: regulated ones, that is), and anything that affects Bitcoin’s price is going to affect those derivatives’ prices.

> But Bitcoin options on e.g. LedgerX.com are securities (edit: regulated ones, that is), and anything that affects Bitcoin’s price is going to affect those derivatives’ prices.

But the SEC doesn't regulate mortgages even though there are derivative securities that are regulated. SEC regulates the asset backed securities but not the assets underlying those securities.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#80
post #47

The price is nothing but down, down, down. it is not manipulation but just ppl dumping at every opportunity, like bank stocks in 2007-2008 or dotcom stocks in 2000-2002. Would not want to own this.

Down down down huh? https://www.lookintobitcoin.com/charts/bitcoin-logarithmic-g...

someone could have said the same about Enron in 2001 too
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