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An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

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Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#31
Interesting tidbit:

"An aside on NFTs Because they’re “unique” objects, NFTs are a perfect vehicle for wash trading. You can easily ensure you only wash trade to yourself. The common scheme is to wash trade with yourself until some credible dunce buys the NFT from you at your manufactured “fair” value, leaving you to walk away with real money."

It's such a stupidly simple idea it's actually brilliant.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

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They do it down too. It’s not a secret or illegal. Here’s a post mortem from the guy that did it. https://twitter.com/AlamedaTrabucco/status/14672197118301511... Ready for a move up again soon.

> It’s not [...] illegal Errr - what? I think you'll find that market manipulation is prohibited in the US under Section 9(a)(2) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and in the EU under article 12 of the Market Abuse Regulation (etc.) The US Securities Exchange Act defines market manipulation as "transactions which create an artificial price or maintain an artificial price for a tradable security". See https://en.…

You realize the world isn't beholden to stupid American laws right?

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s not [...] illegal Errr - what? I think you'll find that market manipulation is prohibited in the US under Section 9(a)(2) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and in the EU under article 12 of the Market Abuse Regulation (etc.) The US Securities Exchange Act defines market manipulation as "transactions which create an artificial price or maintain an artificial price for a tradable security". See https://en.…

It’s not a security, my friend. Crypto is the land of no rules and caveat emptor.

But Bitcoin options on e.g. LedgerX.com are securities (edit: regulated ones, that is), and anything that affects Bitcoin’s price is going to affect those derivatives’ prices.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#34
post #31

Interesting tidbit: "An aside on NFTs Because they’re “unique” objects, NFTs are a perfect vehicle for wash trading. You can easily ensure you only wash trade to yourself. The common scheme is to wash trade with yourself until some credible dunce buys the NFT from you at your manufactured “fair” value, leaving you to walk away with real money." It's such a stupidly simple idea it's actually brilliant.

not really if the fees are high and tons of ppl are doing this with few sales. the nft market is so unbelievably saturated.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s not [...] illegal Errr - what? I think you'll find that market manipulation is prohibited in the US under Section 9(a)(2) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and in the EU under article 12 of the Market Abuse Regulation (etc.) The US Securities Exchange Act defines market manipulation as "transactions which create an artificial price or maintain an artificial price for a tradable security". See https://en.…

they're based in Hong Kong so i'm not sure why US / EU regulation should apply

Actually, Alameda is based in the Cayman Islands as a legal entity

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

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post #10

They do it down too. It’s not a secret or illegal. Here’s a post mortem from the guy that did it. https://twitter.com/AlamedaTrabucco/status/14672197118301511... Ready for a move up again soon.

> It’s not [...] illegal Errr - what? I think you'll find that market manipulation is prohibited in the US under Section 9(a)(2) of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, and in the EU under article 12 of the Market Abuse Regulation (etc.) The US Securities Exchange Act defines market manipulation as "transactions which create an artificial price or maintain an artificial price for a tradable security". See https://en.…

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Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#38
post #31

Interesting tidbit: "An aside on NFTs Because they’re “unique” objects, NFTs are a perfect vehicle for wash trading. You can easily ensure you only wash trade to yourself. The common scheme is to wash trade with yourself until some credible dunce buys the NFT from you at your manufactured “fair” value, leaving you to walk away with real money." It's such a stupidly simple idea it's actually brilliant.

Reminds me of this sketch from Enfield and Whitehouse

https://youtu.be/ZiJa9diJOMk

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#39
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is Elon Musk a relevant opinion on this matter? Even worse, he is well known for astroturfing his own assets.

He knows more than I do, is surrounded by people smarter than I am and has a track record of success and overcoming failures. If I thought I shouldn't listen to Elon Musk because I thought I knew better, then I think my chances of understanding anything about this would be greatly diminished.

> He knows more than I do, is surrounded by people smarter than I am and has a track record of success and overcoming failures.

He's also got a track history of being massively wrong at times on things that aren't inside his wheelhouse, like confidently predicting the end of COVID by April 2020.

Re: An anatomy of Bitcoin price manipulation

#40

It’s not so much price manipulation as timed restrictions / throttled deposits / withdrawals / order execution. basically market malfunctions / barriers. you can always arrange over the counter transactions though.

The bad thing is, it directly influences also the price of other coins, especially the top 5. Only Tether is "stable" in all the senses
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