Do you ever think to yourself that we're gradually headed to some dystopia like in the movie Elysium? Where a growing underclass is relegated to a garbage planet while the elites escape to a satellite world? Or at least parts of our planet? I'm not even faulting the elites for it really -- how are you, in a non-authoritarian society, supposed to handle when basic services are under attack and can't effectively discip…
I would simply get rid of the political actors telling me it's immoral to maintain social order.
We're not talking about the nuclear family in opposition to single parents or blended families. We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which is why I explicitly mentioned extended ("broader") families and communities. Obviously having a mom and a dad is good. Come on dude, use context clues.
>We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which are specifically covered in the CDC report that I listed above. "Children living in blended (i.e., stepparent), cohabiting, unmarried biological or adoptive, extended, and other families were generally disadvantaged relative to children in nuclear families, and were, for the most part, comparable to children living in single-parent families re…
Kids benefit from having uncles, aunts, cousins, and grandparents around as well as just their mom and dad. God knows I did!
>We're talking about it in opposition to extended and clan families. Which are specifically covered in the CDC report that I listed above. "Children living in blended (i.e., stepparent), cohabiting, unmarried biological or adoptive, extended, and other families were generally disadvantaged relative to children in nuclear families, and were, for the most part, comparable to children living in single-parent families re…
Kids benefit from having uncles, aunts, cousins, and grandparents around as well as just their mom and dad. God knows I did!
It shouldn't be either-A-or-B; there are plenty of families whose day-to-day operation is as a nuclear family, but who have regular (more than once-a-week) contact with extended relatives. I don't think that's what this is describing; an "extended" family here is where the group of people who go to sleep every night and wake up every morning in the same house are more than just mom and dad and the kids.
Imprisoning people is treating the symptom, not the cause. If you don't treat the cause, then you'll just continue getting more symptoms. Maybe we should figure out what it is about the USA that keeps generating so much more antisocial behavior than everywhere else and fix that.
Seems like the problem in the US is there are pockets of society which have multi generational issues where the parents don’t know how to teach their kids to be successful since their lives have been a failure too. As well as an environment that normalises crime. It seems extremely difficult to break this cycle without actually removing kids from their parents/friend groups.
Arresting dealers / busting drug rings is one of the few policing activities that directly leads to MORE crime. What happens when you bust a drug ring and arrest some big players? You immediately create a power vacuum, which leads to a turf war where other players (in the gang or between gangs) start jockeying for power, spreading their mayhem across the area. The only solution here is legalization, treatment, and ge…
So legalize and the gang bangers go away? Nice!
No. I said "The only solution here is legalization, treatment, and general social welfare."
That last one is what makes the gang bangers go away, but it's a long process.
There are situations that make it more likely that people will steal, but I don't think it is wise to off-load all of the responsibility to society. Some people will never steal even to save their own life, because they have principles which guide them in that direction. I think it is important to recognize that our society has less respect for property laws and is more accepting of dishonesty, theft, and general lac…
> Some people will never steal even to save their own life, because they have principles which guide them in that direction. Are you sure there are, or do you think there are based on a Disneyesque view of morality?
Yes, I'm sure of it. If anything, it is the opposite of what you would learn in Disney. There are people in the concentration camps who did not steal or who even gave away the food they had to help others, people who go on hunger strike until they die for principles, there are people who go to certain death in war on principle, lots of examples of people who would die to protect their family rather than abandon them, and there are examples of people helping others get the safety/on the helicopter harness until they themselves die (and that's where saving themselves wouldn't even be viewed negatively or break a personal belief, it's just pure unselfish helping others at the cost of your own life). Those principles, or the resilience of them, may be uncommon or even rare, but it is definitely possible to have a stronger desire to have integrity and comply with a belief system than to live.
> It hurts no one Unless of course one of the boxes had something like epi-pens or insulin or some other medical supplies of course.
By that logic carrying a bag of nails should be a crime since you might inadvertently drop one on a public road where a UPS truck might get a flat tire and as a result not be able to deliver someone's insulin.
If you're carrying a bag of nails around for the sole purpose of "accidentally" drop on a public road to cause damage to passing vehicles...
... you're not seriously trying to argue that it shouldn't be a crime right?
Kind of related : America Is Falling Apart at the Seams https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/opinion/america-falling-a... A loss of civic sense and cultural criminality are incredibly hard to weed out of a population, once it has taken root. I worry that the a mix of pessimism and a loss of civic sense is sending non-elite America into a death spiral. Opponents of return-to-normalcy claim that these are temporary and a…
In no particular order: The rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us. Real wages are stagnant. Social safety nets are constantly being removed. Labor protections have been being rolled back or enforcement lax since the ATC strike. Atomization and alienation have taken root. The mythos of the nuclear family being paramount is fully embedded in the culture, destroying the older concept of a broader family and…
> the rich are getting richer faster than the rest of us
Isn’t that just a restatement if the rather mundane concept of compound interest?
If savings account A has $100 and account B has $1mil, does it go without saying that account B will grow far faster?
I never understood why compound interest should be seen as a negative. What is the counter proposal?
By that logic carrying a bag of nails should be a crime since you might inadvertently drop one on a public road where a UPS truck might get a flat tire and as a result not be able to deliver someone's insulin.
If you're carrying a bag of nails around for the sole purpose of "accidentally" drop on a public road to cause damage to passing vehicles... ... you're not seriously trying to argue that it shouldn't be a crime right?
Most places are weak on crime. We have a judge in Minneapolis over the last week: 1. Some guy chased a woman in his car and she ran to a fire station. He crashed into the fire station and fought firefighters. Released 0 bail. 2. Violent criminal with a long past let out of jail to attend funeral and hasn’t returned. This is just the tip of the iceberg. We have constant 0 bail for young carjackers who steal peoples ca…
The US has a larger share of its population in prison than any other nation, about 6x higher than Canada, Japan and Western Europe. Is the problem really that too few people are in prison?
You could punish in other ways than prison.
Especially in a way to make them repair the damage they did.