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Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Crime rates go up when inequality goes up.

Is crime rate proportional to inequality or poverty?

Since poverty is (at least typically) defined relative to some average those two things are not as disconnected as you may think.

But in general I'd expect crime to be a "least worst option" choice and I seem to remember research to that effect. Although I wouldn't be able to find that now again, so take it with an appropriate amount of salt.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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post #74

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Turns out it's pretty tricky to make a padlock secure against bolt cutters. Of course improving the security of the lock would soon lead to thieves cutting off the locking bars on the container instead.

It doesn't have to be the lock that's secured. What about a hinge mechanism which takes a programmable amount of time to open the container door? If it takes 10 minutes for the door to open, the lock doesn't matter as much, since the thieves have a very limited amount of time before the trains start moving again, apparently.

Those are standardized containers standardized which are made in the millions as cheap as possible. That stuff needs to work, think of all the means of transport where it is used (vessels, trains, aircraft), be accessible for inspections (customs) and so on. The costs to secure and upgrade the containers for the whole system is probably a lot higher than accepting a small percentage of stolen parcel.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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Do you ever think to yourself that we're gradually headed to some dystopia like in the movie Elysium? Where a growing underclass is relegated to a garbage planet while the elites escape to a satellite world? Or at least parts of our planet? I'm not even faulting the elites for it really -- how are you, in a non-authoritarian society, supposed to handle when basic services are under attack and can't effectively discip…

Raising children to respect the rule of law used to be considered important. Now many would consider it brainwashing.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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My observation from the comment sections to this post-apocalyptic video is the following: People focusing on how to prevent the theft of these cars, funding police, armed guards on trans, better security. I think this is an interesting perspective, it's very "American", it's like it has been accepted by these commenters that rampant thievery is a perfectly natural part of life and so, must be worked around rather tha…

You make it sound like this is all necessity. I don't know if this is intentional or not.

If it is intentional: Go look at the porch pirate glitterbomb videos and come back and tell me that it is because of necessity (I've only seen one go off in a pawn shop, the rest were people who wanted to improve their own home it seemed.)

Trying to be intellectually honest here I'll note that maybe those videos weren't uploaded because they didn't match the viewpoint he Mark wants to create. Or because he felt pity for them, but I don't think that is the full explanation.

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> I walked around last year, in an opera house, public building, no one in sight, empty building, unlocked doors, there were paintings on the walls, and I identified audio equipment for at least $10k, and it was not unlocked by mistake. Then it struck me, that we've done well in society when we can have this.

Agree. Note however:

Norway were I live used to be like that (as far as I understand), but isn't anymore (this I do know).

Norway has maybe the best social security in the world.

Clearly there are two things that must be in place here:

- there mustn't be a need to steal to survive

- stealing must also not be accepted

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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post #145

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The cause is the same as it always has been: it is easier for some people to get to the desired standard of living by stealing/other crime than by working. Why crime us going up? Because of higher desired standard (every body needs an iPhone, brand name shoes and hats), more difficulty with earning a wage (largely, difficulty getting a job at all) and decreased difficulty in crime (defunding police, more aesily avail…

Crime rates go up when inequality goes up.

Do crime rates go up when you stop policing actual crimes?

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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post #102

My observation from the comment sections to this post-apocalyptic video is the following: People focusing on how to prevent the theft of these cars, funding police, armed guards on trans, better security. I think this is an interesting perspective, it's very "American", it's like it has been accepted by these commenters that rampant thievery is a perfectly natural part of life and so, must be worked around rather tha…

It's quite common on European high streets to see private security guards outside of clothing and electronic stores, whereas that is fairly rare in the states. At least, I can certainly attest to their presence in the UK, Italy, Spain and France.

And I think everyone individually is trying to minimize societal ills like theft. But good luck getting enough people to agree on what is the right path forward.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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This seems like a crime that could be very easily stopped.

In USA, railroad police have jurisdiction in this scenario. Uniquely, in USA, railroad police are employed by the railroad. As evidenced by current BNSF strike, USA railroads presently have a tough relationship with their labor force. For an underpaid and overstressed railroad cop, do they want to risk their life to try to stop this? My guess is generally no. They may even desire a cut of the proceeds.

>Uniquely, in USA, railroad police are employed by the railroad.

No, not uniquely. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_Police_(Poland) It's an unit managed by the rail track operator.

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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post #102

My observation from the comment sections to this post-apocalyptic video is the following: People focusing on how to prevent the theft of these cars, funding police, armed guards on trans, better security. I think this is an interesting perspective, it's very "American", it's like it has been accepted by these commenters that rampant thievery is a perfectly natural part of life and so, must be worked around rather tha…

There are situations that make it more likely that people will steal, but I don't think it is wise to off-load all of the responsibility to society. Some people will never steal even to save their own life, because they have principles which guide them in that direction. I think it is important to recognize that our society has less respect for property laws and is more accepting of dishonesty, theft, and general lac…

> Some people will never steal even to save their own life, because they have principles which guide them in that direction.

Are you sure there are, or do you think there are based on a Disneyesque view of morality?

Re: Train burglaries in LA

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You want to know why I don't steal? It's because I don't have to. I have sufficient security of income and opportunity that it's not necessary. I'm not bragging, though, what I'm getting at is that you're missing a huge part of why people steal - maybe even the largest part: because they feel they have to survive, or because it's okay because society is stacked against them. This is what above was talking about when…

I live in a 3-rd world country that has like 40 times less GDP per capita than the United States. The vast majority of our people work in the fields growing crops and are much poorer than the poorest communities in the US. Our people have to survive, like for real. By your logic, theft, crime, murders and robberies should be rampant in my country because they “have to”. But my country is much safer in that regard tha…

You missed half of parent logic.

>it's okay because society is stacked against them.

If you can't find a job in the US, you won't go to another country to find one. After all, you're already in the "best country in the world".

The streets are accepted as the home of failed people (but only if we can't see them).

Medical care is provided only to people who can pay for it. That's only fair.

Also racism was solved with Obama, so just pull yourself by your bootstrap like everyone else.

Just work multiple jobs if you can't afford rent, maybe then you'll save enough to pay for education and get a higher wage job or start your own business.

/s

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