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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by NicoJuicy »

pelasaco wrote: post #59
sschueller wrote: post #4

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I don't know where you are located but here in Switzerland I would definitely want the positive PCR test as proof. Although it may no longer be needed as it looks like this will be over soon the confirmation of an infection is treated here almost like a vaccination. So you will get a certificate extension etc. The isolation time here has been reduced to 5 days with minimum 2 days symptom free.

Germany, but what is the upside to do the PCR test? You get officially in Isolation and can get a visit from the regulatory office to check if you are at home. AFAICS there is no upside. You won't get any treatment protocol, any help. You just get more pressure over you. I won't have the proof of recovery, but actually I don't need it since I have all certificates (2 shots + booster). That's make me think if this who…

I think getting a PCR test would be pretty good, since with catching it. You have an "additional protection" lasting several months.

Since the booster stays effective ~10 weeks, it could be possible that you don't need to get an additional booster between March-June. ( depends on a lot of variables ofc. I'm currently vaccinated and not boostered and not immediately planning on taking a booster based on the previous variant for a "relatively" harmless virus for vaccinated people)

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by curt15 »

resource0x wrote: post #66
ttfkam wrote: post #24

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> which we know to be under 10% Source?

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data#casesByVaccinationStatus Search for "hospital but not the ICU". Look above it for ICU stats. For "Not in ICU", it can be argued that even 10% is an overstatement. The author of the article, meanwhile, doesn't provide any sources whatsoever. Another interesting piece of data was recently removed from Got-t of Alberta website, but you can see it here: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p…

The Ontario dashboard for "Not in ICU" currently shows 739 unvaccinated and 2050 vaccinated. But since effectiveness compares rates, not absolute numbers, one needs to normalize those numbers by the size of each subpopulation. Since roughly 80 percent of Ontarios are vaxxed, the relative risk for being unvaccinated is approximately

(739/0.2) / (2050/0.8) = 1.4

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by CountGeek »

pelasaco wrote: post #62
sschueller wrote: post #19

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That doesn't make much sense when looking at hospital data. The previously infected have the lowest hospital administrations vs even the vaccinated. If you are double vaxed and get infected it make zero sense to also get a booster unless you have an immune system issue.

I just got the booster, because it makes the life easier. For example: To go to fitness studio or restaurants. Either you are double vaxed + 24 hours test or you are double vaxed + boosted, then you don't need a test. So I boosted. 3 shots biontech/pfizer. Now I'm positive. If I wanted, I could still go to fitness studio and restaurant, even being positive, which really doesn't make sense to me.

Firstly you have succumbed to coercion by getting vaccinated to resuming your normal previous life activities. After 6 months you'll need another booster to continue having a valid pass. It's a never-ending cycle now.

Secondly you have realised first hand that vaccines passes give a false of sense of security.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by Eldt »

Lammy wrote: post #129
javagram wrote: post #127

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Check the death statistics instead of headlines and you'll see it truly is a novel situation - no previous year saw as many Americans die as 2020 and 2021. And excess deaths correspond closely to regions that saw high reported COVID-19 deaths, indicating "COVID-19 deaths" are people who would not have died had they not been infected with and killed by COVID-19. 2022 death rates are still high, nearing 2000 people kil…

No previous year saw as many Americans live as 2020 and 2021 either :) https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?tid=PEPNATMONTHLY2021.N...

Good thing births offset deaths :)

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by blip54321 »

asimpletune wrote: post #93
b112 wrote: post #79

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If there were enough vaccines for everyone around the world to get the protection equivalent of 3-shots, and people took them, the pandemic would be over now This is a very bizarre assertion. Given that, the vaccinated spread covid, even with no symptoms, vaccination status does not limit spread. No amount of vaccinated people, will end the pandemic. Note that, to spread covid, it must be replicating in the body. The…

I mean, I think it really all comes down to numbers, and also agreeing on reasonable definitions of what words like "over now" mean. That being said, vaccines have stopped effectively ended viruses before, e.g. polio (again, for counter examples please refer to my comment about reasonable definitions). Therefore it's clear that vaccines can achieve this effect, and really what lies in question is how hard is it? So,…

The numbers say that no amount of vaccinated people would end the pandemic. Vaccines reduce R0 and are worth it, but in isolation, don't reduce it below 1 for omicron. It's possible future vaccines will, and it's possible future omicrons will circumvent those vaccines.

I think universal N95/KN95/KF94 masks would bring R0 below 1 (even without vaccines), but with animal reservoirs, even that's no longer a long-term viable strategy.

The trillion dollar question is long COVID and impacts of COVID on the brain, both with and without vaccines.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by gilbetron »

b112 wrote: post #104
gilbetron wrote: post #101

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You should probably take Viral 101 over again. Vaccines definitely reduce transmission - current vaccines, however, are barely, if at all, effective against Omicron. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... IF we had been able to vaccinate 90%+ of the world by the start of last summer, this pandemic had a good chance of ending. Delta made it much more difficult, and Omicron crushed that option.…

You should probably take Viral 101 over again. Vaccines definitely reduce transmission This is a third order effect, not first. They do not reduce transmission, instead they increase immune response, thus reducing replication, thus reducing transmission. This is a vital point here. Second, please take care. At no point did I ever say "vaccines don't reduce transmission". That is a general statement, mine was specific…

> This is a third order effect, not first. They do not reduce transmission, instead they increase immune response, thus reducing replication, thus reducing transmission.

That's literally what is meant by "vaccines reduce transmission". Vaccines are not some nanobots that form a forcefield around your body preventing viruses from getting to you.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by drewg123 »

brg wrote: post #116
drewg123 wrote: post #9

I wonder how under-reported mild breakthrough cases are, due to self testing? I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and I had what I suspect is Omicron about 10 days ago. I had a mild fever (approaching, but not reaching 101), a sore throat, sneezing and nasal congestion for 3-4 days, and I tested positive with an over the counter rapid test. Overall, it was like a very minor cold. My girlfriend also tested positive, and…

In my area all self-tests are connected and must be digitally reported. However self-diagnosis may be a cause of underreporting.

How does that even work? They require an internet connection and sign in?

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by javagram »

Lammy wrote: post #129
javagram wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check the death statistics instead of headlines and you'll see it truly is a novel situation - no previous year saw as many Americans die as 2020 and 2021. And excess deaths correspond closely to regions that saw high reported COVID-19 deaths, indicating "COVID-19 deaths" are people who would not have died had they not been infected with and killed by COVID-19. 2022 death rates are still high, nearing 2000 people kil…

No previous year saw as many Americans live as 2020 and 2021 either :) https://www.census.gov/popclock/ https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?tid=PEPNATMONTHLY2021.N...

That data is irrelevant to my point. Compare deaths from 2015 through 2021 on a bar chart and the discontinuity is obvious even to the naked eye.

See the charts shown on https://statmodeling.stat.columbia.edu/2021/04/25/is-it-real... for a simple visual example.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by encryptluks2 »

jscheel wrote: post #57
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

Did you even read the article you posted below (since flagged, not by me)? It outlines the study's results, which very clearly say that the results only show that omicron is effective at evading vaccines, and do not indicate any increased susceptibility based on vaccine use. It describes its results as "a measure of how well Omicron evades the vaccines compared to Delta." It also states, "from our recent characterist…

Did you read it? It shows that triple boosted had a higher rate of contracting Omicron than unvaxxed. Funny how if it said the opposite, even hypothetically, that they'd be screaming it far and wide as facts and using it for fact checking, but if it indicates the opposite, then we can't draw any conclusions.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by encryptluks2 »

responsivity wrote: post #83
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

What can we conclude / what should we do based on this information?

We can conclude that information used for statistics is easily manipulated, and if it indicates something, even hypothetical, that supports vaccines then it is considered unquestionable fact that vaccines are the only solution, but if it indicates negatives about vaccines, then we shouldn't draw any conclusions.
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