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US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System
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Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System
#32If anyone can offer a reason as to why this system is beneficial to public health, safety or security, I'd love to hear it. I can only see a detriment to each if this law was put into effect.
Easy. It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. This will increase the vaccination percentages, reducing spread and keeping ICUs available for folks who didn't elect their condition. [edit] I'm sorry, if you choose to prioritize conspiracy theories over your health and that of others, I'm not at al…
> It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions.
There is no such thing as a legitimate or illegitimate religious belief, assuming there is separation of church and state.
If I want to make up a religion (aka a set of assumptions) this second that contradict societal mandates, then my set of assumptions are just as valid as anyone else’s assumptions, whether they be orthodox Jewish, or jehovah, or whatever the hell people claim to be.
But that is why there never should have been any non medical exemptions in the first place.
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#33I wonder if even a majority of people who file one have a legitimate religious objection instead of abusing this ability to get out of mandates.
I wonder if the governments enforcing mandates have a legitimate reason to enforce them. There FTFY.
I believe that would fall under the General Welfare Clause of the US Constitution.
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#34Earlier quoted context omitted.
Easy. It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. This will increase the vaccination percentages, reducing spread and keeping ICUs available for folks who didn't elect their condition. [edit] I'm sorry, if you choose to prioritize conspiracy theories over your health and that of others, I'm not at al…
> It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. There is no such thing as a legitimate or illegitimate religious belief, assuming there is separation of church and state. If I want to make up a religion (aka a set of assumptions) this second that contradict societal mandates, then my set of assumptions…
I suspect you should let Charles Manson's defense team know.
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#35If I were designing a constitutional system for a new country, I'd certainly include freedom of religion as one of the basic rights- while also codifying that there are no religious exemptions to any laws. Regardless of your faith, you are required to follow the same laws as your fellow citizens, without exception. Religious exemptions should not exist. One of my issues with it is that 'religion' can mean whatever yo…
You are straw-manning the argument as being simpler than it really is. Moderna for example states in their documentation that their vaccine was tested and actively developed with fetus cell lines that were taken (likely from abortion) far back in the 1960s, making taking that vaccine a possible complicity with "Thou shalt not kill." As an example of one argument. My point is that it is not as simple as you think.
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#36I can’t say I personally trust giving the federal government this power. It’s ripe for future abuse.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. There is no such thing as a legitimate or illegitimate religious belief, assuming there is separation of church and state. If I want to make up a religion (aka a set of assumptions) this second that contradict societal mandates, then my set of assumptions…
I suspect you should let Charles Manson's defense team know.
How is that relevant? Not murdering people is a societal mandate.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
Easy. It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. This will increase the vaccination percentages, reducing spread and keeping ICUs available for folks who didn't elect their condition. [edit] I'm sorry, if you choose to prioritize conspiracy theories over your health and that of others, I'm not at al…
Even if we assume that there is benefit in this specific case, the utility of this law extends well beyond vaccine mandates. It may sound great, until a government comes into power with very different world views to your own, and suddenly you're on a similar list.
Sure, I agree, and when we have a bad list we can have that conversation. Tools can be used for good or bad, and that alone shouldn't preclude the use of the tool. I'm not sure the existence of a good list makes a future bad list any more - or any less - likely.
Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System
#39If I were designing a constitutional system for a new country, I'd certainly include freedom of religion as one of the basic rights- while also codifying that there are no religious exemptions to any laws. Regardless of your faith, you are required to follow the same laws as your fellow citizens, without exception. Religious exemptions should not exist. One of my issues with it is that 'religion' can mean whatever yo…
Except that this law isn't preventing religious exceptions, it's a law to identify individuals who are claiming such.
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#40I agree. I don’t see how a government keeping a religious registry of its citizens is going to lead to anything good.