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Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by vineyardmike »

thinkingemote wrote: post #11
KennyBlanken wrote: post #5

Religious exemptions from vaccination are bullshit. 1)Objections based on "fetal cell lines" being used in development apply to such a large swath of drugs that anyone who held that view "legitimately" would be unable to accept almost any form of modern medical care - including "when you get home, take a tylenol for the pain." 2)No major religion supports vaccination exemptions. Most religious leaders have expressly…

There's more of a moral maze when it comes to forced, mandated vaccination, which I think this is about. For example, it can be argued that it is an individuals right to choose what happens to their body, healthcare should be voluntary and people should expect no penalty in a healthy free society. That's different than if a vaccine is morally ok to choose voluntarily.

No it’s not. We’ve had mandated vaccines forever and no one cared until it became political during covid.

People made it political and people are avoiding vaccines for politic. blaming it protecting freedoms i stead harming public health for politics is a less morally corrupt stance to take.

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Post by arcticbull »

imperio59 wrote: post #19
arcticbull wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy. It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. This will increase the vaccination percentages, reducing spread and keeping ICUs available for folks who didn't elect their condition. [edit] I'm sorry, if you choose to prioritize conspiracy theories over your health and that of others, I'm not at al…

We've only had mRNA vaccines for two years. Also there are starting to be plenty of companies requiring boosters. Do you want to get a new experimental vaccine whose long term effects are poorly known every few months?

> We've only had mRNA vaccines for two years.

First off, mRNA was discovered in the 1960s, first used for drug delivery in the 1970s, and vaccines in 1975. [1] The work to create these vaccines has been under way for almost 60 years. It also builds off the work of other coronavirus vaccines that have been in development since SARS and MERS about 20 years ago.

If that's for some reason not sufficient, J&J, Covishield and AstraZeneca vaccines are not mRNA but instead adenoviral vector vaccines that have similar histories.

[edit] Most vaccines take a long time to test due to the low prevalence of the disease in the population but given half of America is currently infected, it takes very little time to determine the safety and efficacy. Most drugs and vaccines were released publicly after a few thousand participants tried it. You're looking at billions of doses administered.

You are not early.

[1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02483-w

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Post by LinuxBender »

foolinaround wrote: post #22

What is the rationale for the state to keep track of the religious preferences of its citizens in this manner? This can be used for nefarious purposes.

Not to mention this should not even be required given the supreme court struct down the vaccine mandate for everything except medicare/medicaid facilities. [1]

[Edit] Apparently federal facilities were not challenged. So only struck down for businesses.

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-supreme-court-blocks-bid...

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Post by joshuamorton »

imperio59 wrote: post #19
arcticbull wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Easy. It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. This will increase the vaccination percentages, reducing spread and keeping ICUs available for folks who didn't elect their condition. [edit] I'm sorry, if you choose to prioritize conspiracy theories over your health and that of others, I'm not at al…

We've only had mRNA vaccines for two years. Also there are starting to be plenty of companies requiring boosters. Do you want to get a new experimental vaccine whose long term effects are poorly known every few months?

The booster is the same as the original vaccine but in a lower dosage. This may change with future boosters, but I also get a flu vaccine every year (and have for a decade). Those are "new" each year but aren't generally considered dangerous and experimental.

> Do you want to get a new experimental vaccine whose long term effects are poorly known every few months?

Can you give a coherent biological mechanism by which the vaccine would have health impacts that aren't detectable over the course of say 3 months?

As I understand it, the entire vaccine will have left your body will before that point, leaving only your body's reaction to the spike protein. In other words, the only vaccine side effects possible after a month or so are a strict subset of covid side effects.

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Post by antihipocrat »

arcticbull wrote: post #8
antihipocrat wrote: post #6

If anyone can offer a reason as to why this system is beneficial to public health, safety or security, I'd love to hear it. I can only see a detriment to each if this law was put into effect.

Easy. It will dissuade people who don't hold legitimate religious beliefs forbidding vaccination (there are substantially zero of them) from using religious exemptions. This will increase the vaccination percentages, reducing spread and keeping ICUs available for folks who didn't elect their condition. [edit] I'm sorry, if you choose to prioritize conspiracy theories over your health and that of others, I'm not at al…

Even if we assume that there is benefit in this specific case, the utility of this law extends well beyond vaccine mandates.

It may sound great, until a government comes into power with very different world views to your own, and suddenly you're on a similar list.

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Post by vineyardmike »

imperio59 wrote: post #15

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I agree that the register is a bad and dangerous road but can we all at least recognize that “religion” is actually “politics” in this case. We’re identifying blind trump loyalists who were tricked by the political system into choosing politics over public health.

Re: US Fed – Employee Religious Exception Request Information System

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Post by CameronNemo »

foolinaround wrote: post #22

What is the rationale for the state to keep track of the religious preferences of its citizens in this manner? This can be used for nefarious purposes.

I can't defend the state tracking this info, but I definitely asked my employer if they had granted any religious exemptions to their vaccine mandate (we are a small company so I don't think we fall under the federal guidelines). They never responded to me, but they also extended the WFH situation until May after Omicron accelerated.
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