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Covid-19 breakthrough data
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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data
#72Does anyone have data on boosted death rate? It is really hard to find stats. “Vaccinated” is such a difficult term because it can encompass J&J from nearly a year ago for example. I see some breakdowns by vax supplier vs hospitalizations. Really would like to know how many people who have taken the booster have died from covid ideally with age data.
Closest I've seen -
https://twitter.com/zeynep/status/1482501951065661440?s=20
Source - https://www.alberta.ca/stats/covid-19-alberta-statistics.htm...
The answer seems to be extremely few boosted deaths, especially under 80. You are at more risk unvaccinated in your 40s than boosted in your 80s.
Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data
#73One thing to note is that the effectiveness metric also includes the behavioral and populational differences. I'd personally really like to know what the metric would be if (hypothetically, just for analysis) the vaccine was a placebo. For example, if the people who get the vaccine are generally more able to work from home, then the metric would still be significantly above zero. Just for clarity, I believe that the…
I don't really get the example of being able to work from home, but I would expect differences are extremely regional/national. In some countries there's a formal labor law for doctors notes after X days that is known by all and which might mean your doctor checks and registers the case(?) in other places it is total discretion if a manager demands a note but rarely does in places that aren't shift work oriented.
With the WFH example - suppose that 1) WFH is issued by companies as a blanket policy (different from 2-week isolation from getting sick) 2) people who get the vaccine tend to be the ones that WFH, and 3) WFH allows for less exposure. In that case, the people who get the vaccine tend to have less exposure and fewer chances to get sick, regardless of vaccine efficacy.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The vast majority of cases don't end up in the hospital, vaccinated or otherwise. People seem to forget this fact.
The “only 1% will die” argument, sure I remember that one from early days. But hospitals are currently overwhelmed with mostly voluntarily unvaccinated people. My advice is don’t break your arm or get in a car accident or have a heart attack right now - it could be lethal because health care resources are at a breaking point (in the US).
I don't think this is as widespread as people believe. Certain locales tend to be overwhelmed at any given time, but I don't think that's the case for the majority of hospitals in the country. Unfortunately I don't have any statistics.
>But hospitals are currently overwhelmed with mostly voluntarily unvaccinated people
This has been the narrative for a while now, but as vaccination rates increase the ratio of vaccinated:unvaccinated hospitalized patients is approaching and surpassing parity. And some not so recent government data from the UK[0] (I haven't seen any media report on it) suggests that for a number of age ranges, vaccinated individuals have a similar death rate per person-year, i.e. vaccines are not doing nearly as much as claimed. This data is pre omicron.
0. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsde... - check table 7 in the spreadsheet. Maybe I'm misinterpreting something?
Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.
That doesn't make much sense when looking at hospital data. The previously infected have the lowest hospital administrations vs even the vaccinated. If you are double vaxed and get infected it make zero sense to also get a booster unless you have an immune system issue.
A problem in the US is that many people who are politically right-leaning have been talking up natural immunity, which means the left-leaning people in charge of the local, state, and federal government where mandates are in place are unwilling to acknowledge natural immunity because they want to "own the cons" or something like that.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.
It makes it easier for most cases of international travel. In a lot of contexts if you're vaccinated + boosted + recovered in the last 90 days, you can just travel and not worry about the result of the COVID test you need to return to the United States as long as you have a letter stating recovery.
Not in my experience. Despite being fully vaxxed, I had to get tested every time I entered a country including coming back to the US. A recent two leg EU trip required a total of 6 tests - each of them with complex timing requirements and the total cost was ~$500.
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#77Earlier quoted context omitted.
Germany, but what is the upside to do the PCR test? You get officially in Isolation and can get a visit from the regulatory office to check if you are at home. AFAICS there is no upside. You won't get any treatment protocol, any help. You just get more pressure over you. I won't have the proof of recovery, but actually I don't need it since I have all certificates (2 shots + booster). That's make me think if this who…
If you get a long covid symptom and want to be treated for that it might be smart to keep your medical records up to date. Hard to know what the future brings on long covid and treatments for it. Or conceivably in a year they have two vaccines, one is more suitable for those that are recovered, the other more suitable for those who never had it. Which one will they give you?
I think thats FUD. I will be able to tell if I had it or not. Maybe I had it while not in here? Maybe I had it and didn't realize? It is for sure not an incentive to do the bureaucratic necessary dance.
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#78Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.
It makes it easier for most cases of international travel. In a lot of contexts if you're vaccinated + boosted + recovered in the last 90 days, you can just travel and not worry about the result of the COVID test you need to return to the United States as long as you have a letter stating recovery.
In Europe if you are double vaccinated + boosted, you don't need a test to travel by plane.
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#79Figure it’s relevant to this thread - Eric Topol (very credentialed medical researcher) does a pretty good overview & summary on how the vaccines are doing. https://erictopol.substack.com/p/were-very-lucky
If there were enough vaccines for everyone around the world to get the protection equivalent of 3-shots, and people took them, the pandemic would be over now
This is a very bizarre assertion.
Given that, the vaccinated spread covid, even with no symptoms, vaccination status does not limit spread.
No amount of vaccinated people, will end the pandemic.
Note that, to spread covid, it must be replicating in the body. Therefore, as it is replicating in the vaccinated, it will continue to mutate and evolve.
There will never, ever be an end to the pandemic, due to existing vaccines.
Ever.
Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data
#80- Population is considered fixed (or growing very slowly) - More people get vaccinated: A - Less people remain unvaccinated: A' (=1-A) - More people get infected: B B/A' will of course grow more rapidly than B/A
Isn't there a corresponding B' involved here? Or am I just dumb.