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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by peteradio »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #14
mhh__ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which studies?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronavirus... "those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated"

When you are given priors you have to be very careful about what answer you are getting actually says. It says there are different viral profile in one group vs the other when we explicitly select for people with virus. Doesn't really tell us the detail involved of actually getting the virus.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by pelasaco »

sschueller wrote: post #19
tylersmith wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here in the US there is no upside to having proof of infection. It doesn't relieve you of needing vaccination or false tests in any situation. Edit: not false tests; true negative tests.

That doesn't make much sense when looking at hospital data. The previously infected have the lowest hospital administrations vs even the vaccinated. If you are double vaxed and get infected it make zero sense to also get a booster unless you have an immune system issue.

I just got the booster, because it makes the life easier. For example: To go to fitness studio or restaurants. Either you are double vaxed + 24 hours test or you are double vaxed + boosted, then you don't need a test. So I boosted. 3 shots biontech/pfizer. Now I'm positive. If I wanted, I could still go to fitness studio and restaurant, even being positive, which really doesn't make sense to me.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by peteradio »

Mystlix wrote: post #37
awb wrote: post #5

Interesting that while the odds of the vaccine protecting against infection are near all-time lows (mid 70s), vaccine protection against hospitalization is near all-time highs (mid-90s). Also interesting that this data treats 14-days+ after last shot as fully vaccinated, so presumably two-shot and three-shot people are both treated as “fully vaccinated”. > Fully-vaccinated people may have received additional or boost…

you are protected from infection only if you have a huge number of antibodies since they can immediately overpower the virus when it gets in. when the antibodies are few and the virus comes in you have to wait for the trained t-cells to produce enough of them to again overpower the virus, so you get sick for a short time and then get better. of course the quality of a vaccine determines how quickly and effectively th…

I wouldn't even call it "very very very good vaccine". It's just a different problem each vaccine has to solve. Some problems are inherently harder: flu, coronavirus, hiv

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by donaldihunter »

encryptluks2 wrote: post #14
mhh__ wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which studies?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronavirus... "those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated"

That para makes 2 more important points:

"Vaccination status: those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated, though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant. It is too early to draw conclusions from our data on the effectiveness of vaccines against the Omicron variant."

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by ErikCorry »

pelasaco wrote: post #59
sschueller wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know where you are located but here in Switzerland I would definitely want the positive PCR test as proof. Although it may no longer be needed as it looks like this will be over soon the confirmation of an infection is treated here almost like a vaccination. So you will get a certificate extension etc. The isolation time here has been reduced to 5 days with minimum 2 days symptom free.

Germany, but what is the upside to do the PCR test? You get officially in Isolation and can get a visit from the regulatory office to check if you are at home. AFAICS there is no upside. You won't get any treatment protocol, any help. You just get more pressure over you. I won't have the proof of recovery, but actually I don't need it since I have all certificates (2 shots + booster). That's make me think if this who…

If you get a long covid symptom and want to be treated for that it might be smart to keep your medical records up to date. Hard to know what the future brings on long covid and treatments for it.

Or conceivably in a year they have two vaccines, one is more suitable for those that are recovered, the other more suitable for those who never had it. Which one will they give you?

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by resource0x »

ttfkam wrote: post #24
throwawaybutno wrote: post #21

This data is really quite poor. It’s adjusted based on a 2000 census. It’s also showing a 2 dose effectiveness of over 70% against Omicron which we know to be under 10%. If you’re using this as an argument to get vaccinated, it’s a bad one.

> which we know to be under 10% Source?

https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data#casesByVaccinationStatus

Search for "hospital but not the ICU". Look above it for ICU stats. For "Not in ICU", it can be argued that even 10% is an overstatement. The author of the article, meanwhile, doesn't provide any sources whatsoever.

Another interesting piece of data was recently removed from Got-t of Alberta website, but you can see it here: https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/the-government-of-albert...

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by argvargc »

To enjoy an interesting and arguably also somewhat more accurate experience reading articles such as these, try mentally replacing the term "vaccine breakthrough" with "vaccine failure". Going to hospital is not protection.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by Lammy »

pstoll wrote: post #50
twofornone wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of cases don't end up in the hospital, vaccinated or otherwise. People seem to forget this fact.

The “only 1% will die” argument, sure I remember that one from early days. But hospitals are currently overwhelmed with mostly voluntarily unvaccinated people. My advice is don’t break your arm or get in a car accident or have a heart attack right now - it could be lethal because health care resources are at a breaking point (in the US).

Truly a novel situation we find ourselves in:

https://www.google.com/search?q=intitle%3Ahospitals+intitle%...

https://www.google.com/search?q=intitle%3Ahospitals+intitle%...

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by Mystlix »

peteradio wrote: post #63
Mystlix wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you are protected from infection only if you have a huge number of antibodies since they can immediately overpower the virus when it gets in. when the antibodies are few and the virus comes in you have to wait for the trained t-cells to produce enough of them to again overpower the virus, so you get sick for a short time and then get better. of course the quality of a vaccine determines how quickly and effectively th…

I wouldn't even call it "very very very good vaccine". It's just a different problem each vaccine has to solve. Some problems are inherently harder: flu, coronavirus, hiv

I know, but with the technology we are able to employ nowadays I think it's reasonable to push for vaccines that protect people for 20 years like the one for hepatitis. Hell, now we can even think about curing cancer with mRNA, I think a strong flu/corona virus might be within our limits

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

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Post by argvargc »

ChicagoDave wrote: post #41
encryptluks2 wrote: post #3

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

"Everyone I know" is anecdotal and most people that use this language are outright lying. Trump is an expert at "They're saying things are bad" and of course some people believe this nonsense. "Everyone" and "They" are propaganda tools. Make a claim. Provide the evidence. Otherwise you're just one of the people that refuses to accept reality.

Your criticism comes across as very close to what you're criticising. You've provided only your anecdotal evidence, whilst creating another "they" - "one of those people" - that you same-breath decry as the tool of propagandists.
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