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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#41

Everyone I know that is getting COVID-19 lately is vaccinated. Everyone I know that didn't get vaccinated hasn't even been sick.

"Everyone I know" is anecdotal and most people that use this language are outright lying. Trump is an expert at "They're saying things are bad" and of course some people believe this nonsense. "Everyone" and "They" are propaganda tools.

Make a claim. Provide the evidence.

Otherwise you're just one of the people that refuses to accept reality.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#42
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you post one of these articles? What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?

Here is the Pfizer-CEO board member approved truth ministry version: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-bre... Basically, statistics only matter when it shows what they want you to see, but when it says that triple vaxxed are 8% more likely to get Omicron than unvaxxed then you are drawing conclusions.

“Note that this is the probability of an infection being Omicron given a person is infected, so it doesn’t tell us how likely a person is to test positive in the first place.”

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#43
post #31

One thing to note is that the effectiveness metric also includes the behavioral and populational differences. I'd personally really like to know what the metric would be if (hypothetically, just for analysis) the vaccine was a placebo. For example, if the people who get the vaccine are generally more able to work from home, then the metric would still be significantly above zero. Just for clarity, I believe that the…

We’ll have to think of a different methodology because it’s not ethical to issue placebo vaccines during a pandemic.

Well, antivaxxers would take the placebo. But they wouldn't take the vaccine. So you can't randomise the trial.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#44
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you post one of these articles? What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?

Here is the Pfizer-CEO board member approved truth ministry version: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-bre... Basically, statistics only matter when it shows what they want you to see, but when it says that triple vaxxed are 8% more likely to get Omicron than unvaxxed then you are drawing conclusions.

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Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#45
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which studies?

https://www.ons.gov.uk/news/statementsandletters/coronavirus... "those who have received three doses of a vaccine and test positive for COVID-19 are more likely to be infected with infections compatible with the Omicron variant compared with those who are unvaccinated"

You cut the sentence in the middle: "though individuals who had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine continued to be less likely to test positive for COVID-19, regardless of variant." Which does not mean the unvaccinated are more likely to get omicron like you originally claimed. Just that if they are infected it is more likely to be omicron. Which means the vaccine is less effective against omicron than other variants, which we already know.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#46

- Population is considered fixed (or growing very slowly) - More people get vaccinated: A - Less people remain unvaccinated: A' (=1-A) - More people get infected: B B/A' will of course grow more rapidly than B/A

Statistics professors everywhere just giving a long, sad sigh.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#47

One thing to note is that the effectiveness metric also includes the behavioral and populational differences. I'd personally really like to know what the metric would be if (hypothetically, just for analysis) the vaccine was a placebo. For example, if the people who get the vaccine are generally more able to work from home, then the metric would still be significantly above zero. Just for clarity, I believe that the…

I don't really get the example of being able to work from home, but I would expect differences are extremely regional/national.

In some countries there's a formal labor law for doctors notes after X days that is known by all and which might mean your doctor checks and registers the case(?) in other places it is total discretion if a manager demands a note but rarely does in places that aren't shift work oriented.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#49
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you post one of these articles? What is the contention, people who are vaccinated are more likely to get omicron?

Here is the Pfizer-CEO board member approved truth ministry version: https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-omicronvariant-bre... Basically, statistics only matter when it shows what they want you to see, but when it says that triple vaxxed are 8% more likely to get Omicron than unvaxxed then you are drawing conclusions.

Did you read the whole article you linked? It doesn't say the vaccinated get Covid more often than unvaccinated. (They don't.) It doesn't say the vaccinated get Omicron more than unvaccinated. (They don't.)

It merely says the vaccinated are infected by Omicron more than other variants like Delta. That's it. In other words, the vaccines are quite effective against Delta, but due to mutation, Omicron can slip past immunity a little easier.

The vast majority of folks in hospitals and the morgues from Covid (Alpha, Delta, or Omicron) nowadays are unvaccinated.

Re: Covid-19 breakthrough data

#50
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He didn’t go the hospital. That doesn’t change the overwhelmingly positive benefits of “hospitalization rates”.

The vast majority of cases don't end up in the hospital, vaccinated or otherwise. People seem to forget this fact.

The “only 1% will die” argument, sure I remember that one from early days.

But hospitals are currently overwhelmed with mostly voluntarily unvaccinated people. My advice is don’t break your arm or get in a car accident or have a heart attack right now - it could be lethal because health care resources are at a breaking point (in the US).

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