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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by jimktrains2 »

commoner wrote: post #176
xedrac wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why bother implementing ctrl+c and ctrl+v in Linux when highlighting text copies it, and middle click pastes it? Ctrl+c feels like the dark ages in comparison.

Middle-click paste is a non-starter for anyone who uses a pointing stick (TrackPoint), since the middle mouse button is held down to scroll with the stick. Pointing stick users will usually try to disable the selection clipboard to avoid having unwanted text pop up in unexpected places. Regardless, from my experience, the terminal is the only place where Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V are not the standard shortcuts to copy and pa…

I do it every day and never have issues with scrolling vs pasting.

The biggest issue is that some apps don't play nice with the x clipboard.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by buu700 »

askvictor wrote: post #99
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Having recently moved back to Linux (PopOS) from Windows, the one biggest annoyance is not being able to configure two-finger touchpad swipe to be browser back/forward. This is the default in Mac, easily configurable in Windows (perhaps it's the default?), and default in ChromeOS. But simply not an option in any Linux I've tried. The Epiphany Browser does it, but that lacks extension support so is a no-go for me. Any…

and default in ChromeOS. But simply not an option in any Linux I've tried.

Bit of a tangent, but it's always funny to me to discuss ChromeOS and Android as distinct from Linux distributions. I get that they're each practically as "Linux" as TiVo (and might not even be that forever, depending on how Fuscia evolves), but it actually might help avoid confusion if we started using the term GNU/Linux unironically in some contexts.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

richnftio wrote: post #111
criddell wrote: post #21

I guess I don't get how operating systems are still something that people have such strong opinions on. All of the major operating systems are good enough or can be made good enough by installing a few packages. Pop may be great, but it's useless if you need to run Final Cut Pro. macOS is wonderful, but not if you want to play a lot of AAA games. Windows is fine, but if you are doing a lot of Ruby on Rails you may ha…

The Linux desktop is flexible and customizable. I wish mainstream apps would run on Linux as well, so we could experiment and further develop established UI paradigms.

Except it isn't. In order to deal with something as simple as unifying how keyboard shortcuts work across the UI (the desktop environment, intra-UI idioms for movement & selection, etc.) I'd have to unpack 30 years of legacy X11 decisions and idiosyncrasies, sort out how to reform numerous different UI toolkits, and often dig into the applications themselves on an application by application basis.

It's often impenetrable despite its being open source.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by perryizgr8 »

eitland wrote: post #158
saurik wrote: post #138

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> Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you remind yourself that you're on Mac and use cmd-tab... But alt on a Windows keyboard layout and and command on a Mac keyboard layout are the same key location, so I don't understand how you can be confused by this... maybe stop looking at the keyboard?

Mac differs between switching windows and applications. So if you work in an IDE, keep reading docs in one Firefox window and test your application in another Firefox window then in KDE or XFCE or another sane windowing system[1] - even Windows - you just use alt - tab. On Mac you have to stop an think: Should I switch to another browser Window? Ok, that is CMD - backtick. Switch to or from IDE? That is CMD - tab. Pr…

Also the whole paradigm breaks down on macos if you have multiple desktops. Suppose you have one terminal open on desktop 1, and a browser and terminal on desktop 2. From the browser, if you cmd tab to switch to terminal, it will never go to the terminal on desktop 1, even if that was the last window in focus.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

mkdirp wrote: post #148
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Terminal is the only thing that maps ctrl+shift+c/v to copy/paste because ctrl+c/v conflicts with signals. I've never come across any other program that maps something that isn't ctrl+c/v to copy/paste. MacOS is able to keep this consistent because ctrl+c/v isn't mapped to copy/paste, and instead command+c/v is. If you really want, Linux is perfectly capable of mapping Super+c/v to copy/paste. You would probably only…

Yeah, as the other person pointed out, it's not that simple.

Like yourself, I also thought Linux would be capable, until you actually dig in to do it and realize it's a nightmare of different conflicts.

For starters, that super key is usually for the main menu/dashboard in most Linux os's and intentionally not easy to remap.

Then each application has its own key mapping, so even if you change the system copy/paste, chrome and any other app may have it practically hard coded - they are not all configurable and that includes most terminal applications.

Seems so simple till you dig in and try to accomplish it. In the end, the best solution was to find a terminal app where I could switch the copy command with the cancel command, and then I just have to remember when I'm on my Linux system, cntrl+shift+c is to cancel a command. 1/2 the time I use the system terminal though, and then the command is back to Linux native.

So now I have to remember that special terminal app to use, and that the cancel command is different, on top of the fact the key binding are on different keys also.

It is annoying as hell. And that is ultimately why I end up using my work Mac, even for personal stuff I would prefer to be on Linux.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

howdydoo wrote: post #98
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Are there any apps other than terminals that don't use ctrl-c? I can forgive that in a terminal app because it conflicts with SIGINT, but it would be very weird if a normal app like vscode did it differently.

You would think, but I'm a sys admin and 1) live in the terminal. 2) copy and paste to/from the terminal often 3) do not like accidentally cancelling a command when I just meant to copy something.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

xedrac wrote: post #94
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Why bother implementing ctrl+c and ctrl+v in Linux when highlighting text copies it, and middle click pastes it? Ctrl+c feels like the dark ages in comparison.

Since when did highlighting text copy it? That would be a true nightmare for me as I use highlighting to focus when I read, extensively.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

pkulak wrote: post #104
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

That doesn't fly with me. I just use Alacritty and re-bind the keys so I can still use ctrl-c and v: https://github.com/pkulak/dotfiles/blob/master/.config/alacr...

That was actually what I ended up doing too.....but then I miss having tabs and go back to the system terminal, and Allacrity explicitly doesn't want tabs. Argh. It's all so anoying.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

ohazi wrote: post #105
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

For various reasons, most Linux applications try not to use the Super (Windows) key for anything by default, which makes it a good candidate for use as a custom modifier key for whatever you want. For example, users of tiling window managers often use Super+... for interacting with their desktop (open a terminal, open a launcher, switch workspaces, swap windows, etc.). There's nothing stopping you from deciding to us…

Except that key binding for copy and paste are application specific and not always configurable, so indeed Linux echo system does actually stop you from making that sorta mod.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by ByteJockey »

sebow wrote: post #49
multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Is it finally the year of Linux on the desktop? But seriously, the work System76 is doing is really great. PopOS is really nice to use. The attention it is getting is well deserved.

That depends on the definition.The year we break 1% market share (usually with the steam survey as reference)? Already happened. I would say it's gonna be exploding after steam deck launches.I think it's gonna be higher than 2%,maybe 3% this year.Would be surprised if it gets past 5%, but that's a decent stretch(though not impossible at all).

Gaming was always the one thing that kept the more tech-savvy on windows boxes. I know it kept me there for a long time as a teenager.

If that can be broken, I don't think 10% is infeasible. Though I think Microsoft would have to really screw up to lose their status as the "default" OS.

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