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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by howdydoo »

Shared404 wrote: post #135
howdydoo wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just think it's weird that I can't have an LTS OS with non-LTS userland apps. But I guess I have to accept that. Snap is a nonstarter for me for many reasons. Startup speed is important for shell pipelines, and also it's insane to bundle that much stuff just to run a statically-linked binary. And it wouldn't even solve the version problem, it looks like ripgrep on Snap is two years old. https://snapcraft.io/ripgrep…

Manjaro kinda went off the deep end, I would recommend installing Arch manually, or maybe using Antergos. Actually, Fedora may be better for your usecase. Assuming no proprietary drivers are required, it's a very simple install process, and tends to keep quite up to date software while remaining more stable than Arch.

Can you elaborate, what happened with Manjaro?

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by azangru »

mindcrime wrote: post #124

I can't say much about the MacOS side of things (I do use a Mac at my day-job, but only because the choice is Mac or Windows, no Linux option). But as far as PopOS goes... I've been using it full-time on my personal laptop for several months now, and I'm very happy. Surprisingly so, you might say. Why "surprising?" Well TBH, I always looked at PopOS as kind of a niche / oddball thing, along with any other distro that…

Which System76 laptop are you using, and how has your experience been with it?

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by xenomachina »

saurik wrote: post #138
Steltek wrote: post #131

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Headed in the other direction (Linux at home to Mac at work) for years now, I can't understand what the fuss is about with Mac keyboard shortcuts. In my experience, I don't find them consistent, useful, or pleasant to use. You hit the nail on the head with alt-tab. alt-tab is universal. Hell, alt-tab works on Android if you hook up a keyboard to it. Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you r…

> Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you remind yourself that you're on Mac and use cmd-tab... But alt on a Windows keyboard layout and and command on a Mac keyboard layout are the same key location, so I don't understand how you can be confused by this... maybe stop looking at the keyboard?

The bigger issue is that command-tab switches between apps, not windows, and command-` switches between windows in the same app, and neither work across spaces.

I ended up installing https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ which adds a keystroke that will cycle through all windows in all apps on all spaces. It's a huge improvement.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by pessimizer »

johndoughy wrote: post #79
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Couldn't agree more about consistent keyboard shortcuts. It's crazy to me that mere copy/paste doesn't have a consistent keyboard shortcut across the system (eg terminal uses ctrl-shift-c or something). And if copy/paste isn't consistent, there's little hope for other shortcuts.

Ctrl-C is a break signal. When you're in the UI, ctrl-c, ctrl-x, and ctrl-v work like you would expect.

How do you send a break on a mac terminal? I didn't think it was any different.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Aeolun »

Shared404 wrote: post #132
stjohnswarts wrote: post #67

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I think these articles are meant for casual users and programmer, which greatly outnumber desktop publishing/artistic users. No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight.

> No one has claimed with a straight face that gimp will let you replace photoshop overnight. Eh, high school me is sitting somewhere in the background sheepishly right now. High school me was not the most intelligent guy.

I think for highschool you it probably was a 100% replacement for everything you ever did with Photoshop.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by mindcrime »

azangru wrote: post #152
mindcrime wrote: post #124

I can't say much about the MacOS side of things (I do use a Mac at my day-job, but only because the choice is Mac or Windows, no Linux option). But as far as PopOS goes... I've been using it full-time on my personal laptop for several months now, and I'm very happy. Surprisingly so, you might say. Why "surprising?" Well TBH, I always looked at PopOS as kind of a niche / oddball thing, along with any other distro that…

Which System76 laptop are you using, and how has your experience been with it?

I went with a Gazelle. I splurged a little bit and got 32GB of RAM, and both a NVMe drive and an SSD, so I have both plenty of RAM and plenty of fast storage. By and large I am extremely satisfied with this box so far. The only thing I really don't like, and this is admittedly a pretty subjective thing, is the layout of the keyboard vis-a-vis the right shift key. I prefer a full-length shift key, above the arrow keys. This has a smaller shift key, which is just to the left of the up arrow key and above the left arrow key. It's a minor nit, but it's not as convenient to the way I like to use the shift and arrow keys together for selecting text.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by llampx »

boplicity wrote: post #139
taeric wrote: post #116

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I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

Make your desired windows fullscreen, then swipe side to side on the trackpad (3 or 4 fingers) to switch between them almost instantly. One of the best features of MacOS, IMO.

Really nice, unless you have a big-ish screen. It is jarring to have the entire screen slide back and forth, and of course a bad use of screen real estate.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by eitland »

saurik wrote: post #138
Steltek wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Headed in the other direction (Linux at home to Mac at work) for years now, I can't understand what the fuss is about with Mac keyboard shortcuts. In my experience, I don't find them consistent, useful, or pleasant to use. You hit the nail on the head with alt-tab. alt-tab is universal. Hell, alt-tab works on Android if you hook up a keyboard to it. Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you r…

> Mac is the only thing where alt-tab falls on its face. Even if you remind yourself that you're on Mac and use cmd-tab... But alt on a Windows keyboard layout and and command on a Mac keyboard layout are the same key location, so I don't understand how you can be confused by this... maybe stop looking at the keyboard?

Mac differs between switching windows and applications.

So if you work in an IDE, keep reading docs in one Firefox window and test your application in another Firefox window then in KDE or XFCE or another sane windowing system[1] - even Windows - you just use alt - tab.

On Mac you have to stop an think: Should I switch to another browser Window? Ok, that is CMD - backtick. Switch to or from IDE? That is CMD - tab.

Press the wrong combination? Now Cyberduck has entered the mix.

[1]:I was about to write Windows or Linux but starting with Unity and now also Gnome has copied this to be bug comptible with Mac

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Aeolun »

howdydoo wrote: post #115
GekkePrutser wrote: post #70

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If you want up to date everything you simply chose the wrong distro. It's not really the package manager's fault. Debian goes for stable versions during a release and backports security patches. It's one of their main design philosophies. It really shines for boxes you want to run something for years with minimal maintenance. Get arch, manjaro or another rolling distro and you'll have what you want :) Or perhaps Ubun…

I just think it's weird that I can't have an LTS OS with non-LTS userland apps. But I guess I have to accept that. Snap is a nonstarter for me for many reasons. Startup speed is important for shell pipelines, and also it's insane to bundle that much stuff just to run a statically-linked binary. And it wouldn't even solve the version problem, it looks like ripgrep on Snap is two years old. https://snapcraft.io/ripgrep…

Hmm for anything Rust I just always run ‘cargo install xxx’. I realize that doesn’t help you, but I’m surprised using the package manager is actually the most convenient cross-platform way to install.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Normille »

Shared404 wrote: post #25
Normille wrote: post #19

All very pretty I'm sure. But, at the end of the day, much though I enjoy twiddling with Linux and poking around different distros, I'm stuck with MacOS because [like a lot of folks who use MacOS for work reasons and not to be 'hipster cool'] I work in the design industry and that means the Adobe suite is a must. Linux has nothing that comes close. And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitif…

> And the customary recommendations; The Gimp and Inkscape are so pitifully awful compared to Photoshop and Illustrator that I seriously doubt the people who suggest them are professional designers, who have to work with these packages, day in and day out. Understandable. While I do think familiarity has some impact, I picked up photoshop for the first time much faster than The Gimp, Inkscape was closer but Illustrat…

I've tried Krita and found it quite impressively polished [dare I say 'for a Linux graphics app']. However I'd see it as more of a replacement for something like Painter or Manga Studio than Photoshop or Illustrator
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