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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by howdydoo »

linux_is_nice wrote: post #36
howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

Arch Linux :)

I heard rumors long ago that Arch has occasional stability problems caused by updates. Is that still true these days?

I guess that's ironic to hear considering my original question, but I appreciate a different update cadence between the OS (I want LTS, stable) and things like `ripgrep`, which if there's a bug, it won't keep me from booting my system and I can just downgrade if I notice it.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by somenewaccount1 »

criddell wrote: post #21

I guess I don't get how operating systems are still something that people have such strong opinions on. All of the major operating systems are good enough or can be made good enough by installing a few packages. Pop may be great, but it's useless if you need to run Final Cut Pro. macOS is wonderful, but not if you want to play a lot of AAA games. Windows is fine, but if you are doing a lot of Ruby on Rails you may ha…

I think you understand perfectly why people have strong opinions. Depending on your particular use case, one will work magnificently while the other will be toast.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by stjohnswarts »

allenu wrote: post #17
super_linear wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also find it hard to read the article since I see "Pop!_OS" and think they're trying to emphasize something

This is my first time reading about this OS and the naming is very strange to me. I don't understand why they decided to go with "!_" in the middle. It feels a little too techy for a mainstream user. Why not PopOS or Pop OS?

It's just branding, PopOS or popos is what most people type Do Not use the pop!_os when searching for related info or you'll get far fewer hits.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by pydry »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

I made the mistake of using debian stable when I first used it and ran into this problem.

Debian stable is not a good desktop OS.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by rajishx »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

guix is what you are looking for, (I think)

a bit complicated at first sight but if you value your freedom and is a poweruser then it is the panacea, and you can do this on any linux or unices...

alternatively nix,

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by deadbunny »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

I've honestly rarely run into something that made me miss not having the latest version of something.

Sure is something is new or under heavy develoent it might be an issue but having a 3 year old version of jq vs a 3 day old version has rarely come up for me.

With that said you have plenty of choice:

Flatpacks provide the latest versions of lots of things.

Homebrew is available for Linux (I have never tried it)

Don't use Debian as many people have already suggested

Compile yourself/manage your own version. Like people have been doing for decades.

For this while I would highly suggest putting things in `~/bin` or `/opt` and adding it to your $PATH, never put things in `/usr/bin`, that's is what apt manages and you could easily shoot yourself in the foot if you fuck about there.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by howdydoo »

themodelplumber wrote: post #46
howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

You can search distros based on the exact kind of packaging solution you want. The diversity is pretty amazing.

Scoop installs directly from the first-party source, so you only need to write a package once per app, instead of once per version of each app. Are there any distros that work like that?

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by twarge »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

For me, getting the keybindings right is the killer feature Elementary OS provides. Sadly it doesn't actually install on any of the old MacBooks I have, so I don't actually use it.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by johndoughy »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

Couldn't agree more about consistent keyboard shortcuts. It's crazy to me that mere copy/paste doesn't have a consistent keyboard shortcut across the system (eg terminal uses ctrl-shift-c or something). And if copy/paste isn't consistent, there's little hope for other shortcuts.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by bitigchi »

This makes it sound like only Pop_OS! has the applications listed for it and they are not available for macOS.

It's also funny that macOS has application installs sorted and the Pop_OS side starts listing paths. :))

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