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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by michaelmrose »

im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

I haven't tried but it seems like you could use a keybinding daemon to effectively remap any application by changing layer in response to window focus changes.

See Ktrl + alt or Kmonad

https://github.com/ItayGarin/ktrl https://github.com/ItayGarin/alt https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad

KDE apps are also universally very remappable

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by rbreaves »

jagger27 wrote: post #230
eitland wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

Of all the things to criticize macOS and Macs on, keyboard shortcuts are not it. They’re the gold standard of consistency and ergonomics as far as I’m concerned. I get not being used to them and having different muscle memory.

This. It is mostly a memory muscle issue people have to deal with.. and using your thumb - strongest digit for your primary modifier vs a pinky.. the weakest ought to just be common sense.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by ryanschneider »

rbreaves wrote: post #234
mkdirp wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terminal is the only thing that maps ctrl+shift+c/v to copy/paste because ctrl+c/v conflicts with signals. I've never come across any other program that maps something that isn't ctrl+c/v to copy/paste. MacOS is able to keep this consistent because ctrl+c/v isn't mapped to copy/paste, and instead command+c/v is. If you really want, Linux is perfectly capable of mapping Super+c/v to copy/paste. You would probably only…

Really not a good idea to remap super for copy and paste though.. that is just a very surface level thing to do I think and recommend to any mac user transitioning to Linux and is why I built Kinto.sh so that hacks like "remap Super+c/v" for copy and paste don't have to exist. https://github.com/rbreaves/kinto The proper way is remap the modifier keys and then remap further based on the app on focus. Gives you covera…

I came to this thread just to post that System 76 should hire you to work on their keyboard shortcuts if they are serious about attracting macOS users. Muscle memory is the only thing keeping me on macOS now, I’ve tried using an IDE on both Windows and Linux and gave up after a couple minutes.

I tried kinto on Pop about a year ago and it worked pretty well but conflicted with their workspace and tiling key commands so never tried switching to it beyond a single days worth of preview.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by gundamdoubleO »

lwouis wrote: post #186
taeric wrote: post #116

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I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

I made a FOSS alt-tab drop-in for macOS: https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/ I also list alternatives on that page. That may inspire you

Thanks for making this, I installed it the other day after switching to a Mac for work and being really frustrated with the default alt+tab behaviour.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by sbuk »

II2II wrote: post #179
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

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Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Apple gets around that issue by using a differnet modifier key. They have a different modifier key since the original Macintosh dropped the mostly standard control key. It was added to their Macintosh keyboards later, for interoperability with other systems. Windows, on the other hand, has the same issue as Linux. As soon as you call up a command prompt, they are using different shortcut keys.

> They have a different modifier key since the original Macintosh dropped the mostly standard control key.

The ctrl-z/x/c/v combination didn't exist when the Macintosh came out. The cmd+z/x/c/v existed on the Lisa (39 years ago!), so predates Mac by 2 years, which in turn predates Windows using by using ctrl-z/x/c/v by 8. Originally, Windows used the IBM CUA standard[0], which can still be used in Windows (KDE and Gnome came 13 and 16 years later respectively). If you're in a windows terminal, try ctrl+ins to copy and shift+ins to paste, works in Gnome and in KDE (with some remapping in Konsole.) Using ctrl-c in a *NIX based system seems like a dumb decision to me, since ctrl-c is SIGINT - kind of useful.

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_Common_User_Access#Descrip...

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by KerrAvon »

eitland wrote: post #169
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

Nonsense. I don’t know what software you were using, but it must have been a badly ported from a different platform. The basic shortcuts have not changed much since the 1980’s. Moving a word forwards or backwards has always been option-left/option-right arrow. In fact, the default shell configuration in Terminal allows you to navigate the command line with option-left/right-arrow.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by petepete »

xedrac wrote: post #94
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Why bother implementing ctrl+c and ctrl+v in Linux when highlighting text copies it, and middle click pastes it? Ctrl+c feels like the dark ages in comparison.

If you use Miro in Firefox on Linux, middle click dragging moves you around the board and pastes your clipboard contents in as a post-it.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by KerrAvon »

eitland wrote: post #196
geraneum wrote: post #188

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I’ve been using Macs since 2009 for programming and have always used _by default_ Option+arrows in all apps for jumping between words and Cmd+arrow for beginning and end of line/file. I have never experienced “fn” to be used for moving the cursor around. It’s interesting that you had a different experience since these have been OS defaults and you can change them of course. I wonder if these was another software whic…

The things I remember using for work back then was eclipse, Textedit(not sure about the name, but at least the simple text editor that came with Mac), Safari, Firefox and Chrome.

Eclipse, Firefox, and Chrome use non-native text controls to varying degrees. That may have been your issue. Apple can’t do anything about bad third-party software.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

mkdirp wrote: post #148
somenewaccount1 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. I came here to say the only thing that matters is that copy and paste in Linux is 'cntrl+shift+c'. You can try changing it, but your still fucked in most terminals, and then you end up with two key combos depending on context. It's a nightmare, and I'm really glad you have the top comment. Clearly I'm not alone.

Terminal is the only thing that maps ctrl+shift+c/v to copy/paste because ctrl+c/v conflicts with signals. I've never come across any other program that maps something that isn't ctrl+c/v to copy/paste. MacOS is able to keep this consistent because ctrl+c/v isn't mapped to copy/paste, and instead command+c/v is. If you really want, Linux is perfectly capable of mapping Super+c/v to copy/paste. You would probably only…

This almost works. This is what I initially tried to do. Just do a basic remapping of Control to Super in terms of key position. Then I tried to force my terminal to take Super-C, etc. to send the proper control sequence, and never succeeded. So, terminal windows and terminal applications became their own nightmare of special-casing, context-sensitive hell. My workflows bounce back and forth between lots of GUI stuff and terminal stuff, so I always have to be vigilant about what I'm copying from and what I'm pasting too. It's error prone and keeps me squarely out of fluid unconscious muscle memory speed-working.

Remapping the position of Control to the Super key just shuffles the annoyance around, unfortunately. I tried to live with it for a few months.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by _v8ex »

lordgroff wrote: post #51
multiplegeorges wrote: post #2

Is it finally the year of Linux on the desktop? But seriously, the work System76 is doing is really great. PopOS is really nice to use. The attention it is getting is well deserved.

First year for me not on Linux desktop for my primary device since... 99? M1 Air was the culprit. I still don't particularly love Mac OS and remain somewhat puzzled by the overwhelming love people have for it but: 1. It's usable enough and it's certainly polished and much more importantly 2. The M1 Air is the laptop I always dreamed of. Fast, doesn't get hot, SILENT. It's worth the trade-off for me, but I hope Linux…

I switched almost 2 years ago to macOS, I still have a hard time resizing windows and I miss how well it worked on Windows. But as yourself I’m in love with my MB Air, I bought it as a placeholder while waiting for the new Pros but I can’t go back to a heavier machine to get performance that I don’t need out of it. Sure it’s leaking in screen real estate and brightness, but I’m afraid there aren’t any alternatives to a fanless M1 Air.
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