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Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by smoldesu »

askvictor wrote: post #171
commoner wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Touchpad gestures for Linux apps are being worked on: - Latest update (December 2021): https://www.gitclear.com/blog/linux_touchpad_update_december... - HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29555822 So far, pinch-to-zoom has been implemented in Firefox. (If you are using X11 instead of Wayland, then the environment variable MOZ_USE_XINPUT2=1 needs to be set.) Gestures for back/forward navigation have not been imp…

What I don't quite get is why this needs a project; it just needs configuration options; for example, two-finger swipes currently map to mouse buttons (buttons 6 and 7 for left/right swiping) which most apps interpret as scrolling (in every direction). I'm about to write a script to remap those to browser back and browser forward actions (after a delay to prevent repeated actions), but I'm so surprised it's not baked…

> What I don't quite get is why this needs a project

If this was MacOS, I'd agree. But on Linux, it's a different hardware landscape. There are hundreds of trackpads that Linux is compatible with, but not every one of them is multitouch (or implements multitouch the same way). Gesture support on Linux has been a long time coming, but that's mostly because getting uniform trackpad support over thousands of laptops is just not a very fast process, whereas on MacOS, Apple can make certain assumptions about the hardware it's running.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Georgelemental »

howdydoo wrote: post #33

This is a little off-topic, but I've been wanting to switch from Windows to Linux and the one thing stopping me is the lack of a good package manager. WAIT, let me explain. On Windows, you can just `scoop install ripgrep fzf jq` and you're in business. And updating all installed packages is one command away. Meanwhile on Debian, the system packages are often years out of date. So authors have started making their own…

As others have said, Debian Stable is not the way to go if you want up-to-date packages. Personally I find Fedora to be ideal in terms of update cadence, packages are kept up-to-date but still get some more testing compared to a fully rolling distro.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by beebmam »

eitland wrote: post #169
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

Completely agree with this sentiment. I can't stand MacOS for this, and various other reasons. I'll never use it again as a personal OS.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by im_down_w_otp »

eitland wrote: post #169
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

Definitely not rose tinted glasses. I regularly use an old SE/30 to write notes in Word 5 just as an escape from distractions when I'm trying to get thoughts down and organized.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by eitland »

nickcox wrote: post #180
eitland wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

It's been a while since I used a Mac but my recollection is that the same Emacs style key bindings were available for all text fields pretty much without exception. https://jblevins.org/log/kbd

Thanks, this might come in useful at some point.

That said, on Windows and in Linux this is extremely much simpler and more consistent, I can write it down right here and now, it doesn't need a full web page:

arrow keys: move

ctrl + arrow left/right: move left/right to next word boundary.

shift + arrow left/right: select a character to the left/right.

ctrl + shift + arrow left/right: select to next word boundary.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by lwouis »

taeric wrote: post #116
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

I find this funny, in that I struggle with Mac all the time. The worst grievance lately is that I don't know how to just pop back and forth between three windows. Something about the way command tab works just kills my ability to reason about what the window stack currently is. And, for the life of me, I never get copy paste from a terminal to work like I want it to.

I made a FOSS alt-tab drop-in for macOS: https://alt-tab-macos.netlify.app/

I also list alternatives on that page. That may inspire you

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by akoncius »

kevinak wrote: post #9

I recently installed Pop_OS on a new Workstation and wanted it to look and feel like MacOS as much as possible. It's surprisingly easy. You can even make Firefox look like Safari if that's your jazz. Here's what I used: https://github.com/vinceliuice/WhiteSur-gtk-theme

https://elementary.io/ might be interesting to you if not looked already

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by geraneum »

eitland wrote: post #169
im_down_w_otp wrote: post #53

All I want in life is a Linux distro with a package repo full of meticulously reworked & reconfigured packages that make all the keyboard shortcuts across the entire system and every application be like and be as consistent as my old Macs. I've been full-time Linux (Kubuntu) for a few years now, and I've hobbled together something that only irritates me to death about 30% of the time rather than the 100% of the time…

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

I’ve been using Macs since 2009 for programming and have always used _by default_ Option+arrows in all apps for jumping between words and Cmd+arrow for beginning and end of line/file. I have never experienced “fn” to be used for moving the cursor around. It’s interesting that you had a different experience since these have been OS defaults and you can change them of course. I wonder if these was another software which messed with your shortcuts?

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by Shared404 »

howdydoo wrote: post #151
Shared404 wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manjaro kinda went off the deep end, I would recommend installing Arch manually, or maybe using Antergos. Actually, Fedora may be better for your usecase. Assuming no proprietary drivers are required, it's a very simple install process, and tends to keep quite up to date software while remaining more stable than Arch.

Can you elaborate, what happened with Manjaro?

A little while ago they forgot to upgrade their SSL certificate.

Their suggested work around? Users setting the clock back.

Re: Switching from macOS to Pop_OS

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Post by eitland »

beebmam wrote: post #183
eitland wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and be as consistent as my old Macs. Would it help if I point out that this is just rose tinted glasses? ;-) Or at least, when I used Mac full time back in 2009 - 2012, it was the least consistent thing I ever used: even such basic shortcuts as moving a word forward or backwards was inconsistent. Same with home/end: in one app it would be CMD + arrow left/right, in another it would be fn + arrow left/right. In Safa…

Completely agree with this sentiment. I can't stand MacOS for this, and various other reasons. I'll never use it again as a personal OS.

Seems I am not alone.

I have recently started to use it for personal things though, but again just things that I can use all the time in the world for.

I tried installing a dev environment on it and it was instant frustration.

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