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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by hinkley »

xenihn wrote: post #75
daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

There are still too many managers who don't understand one of their primary responsibilities in a market that favors employees: making sure that their best engineers don't leave. The job market won't always be like this, but you'd think that they would have figured it out by now during the current run. It's been nearly a decade at this point, and the pandemic has tipped things even further in the favor of the people…

This is not quite right and I think this is where we let our egos get away with us. Their responsibility is to maintain a good team, not the best person. In the cost benefit analysis, keeping a couple of pretty good people at the expense of your 'best' person might work out better. And a high maintenance person costs more than money.

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Post by manuelabeledo »

hn_version_0023 wrote: post #741
cagey wrote: post #513

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There was an article which I ran into thanks to HN a few months ago[1] that served to explain something I experienced at my employer 8(?) years ago: my role was abolished (legislated out of existence by HR and/or Finance); the role was unique to me, and I had held it very successfully for about 8 years at the time, but apparently, if you have a role that isn't found in some HR Dept or Finance Dept (or US Federal Dept…

In my experience, HR is the worst part of any company, specifically in terms of understanding humans. If you’re even slightly outside their notion of “normal” you’re fucked. These are the same people who jealousy guard their power while maintaining ageist/racist/sexist policy. I’ve honestly never met a decent human who worked in HR.

If I learnt anything about HR departments, is that they work for the company, not for the employees.

Rest assured, their job is to keep executives happy.

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Post by ethbr0 »

philsnow wrote: post #745
ethbr0 wrote: post #322

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I highly support playing negotiation and/or lying+consequence board games with children. The skills are lifelong, and the stakes are much lower than when they have to exercise them in the real world. Coup [0] and Love Letter [1] are both easy entry and quick play examples. Also, I got in the habit of making my kids negotiate their own payment for household tasks. With agreement based on the skill with which they do s…

What part of Love Letter has negotiation or lying(+consequences)? In my house it's nearly strictly deduction.

Maybe it's because I played Coup first, but the way we play there's continuous talking about what's in ones hand. Which gives it more of a poker flavor.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by beckingz »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #477
edgriebel wrote: post #344

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^^^^ yes! Your worker already has one foot out the door and has seen the greener grass outside the door. Is it really greener? Probably not but will be to them!

Ah, the green pasture. It always looks green until one steps on it.

The greenest pastures are the most fertilized, so watch your step.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by hn_version_0023 »

manuelabeledo wrote: post #752
hn_version_0023 wrote: post #741

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In my experience, HR is the worst part of any company, specifically in terms of understanding humans. If you’re even slightly outside their notion of “normal” you’re fucked. These are the same people who jealousy guard their power while maintaining ageist/racist/sexist policy. I’ve honestly never met a decent human who worked in HR.

If I learnt anything about HR departments, is that they work for the company, not for the employees. Rest assured, their job is to keep executives happy.

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Post by PeterisP »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #269
ghaff wrote: post #168

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Having a BATNA that you're perfectly fine doing takes a huge amount of pressure off in a negotiation.

I feel like I can always replace “BATNA” with “alternative” or “option” and the statement conveys the same information.

IMHO there's a difference - alternatives and options are the things that you consider and discuss might offer to the other party within a negotiation, they are a part of it.

BATNA, on the other hand, is outside of that negotiation, it is the thing that you'll actually do if the negotiation fails. This will not always will match your statements during the negotiation about what your options are, it's something purely in your mind to compare with the actual alternatives being negotiated and something which, unlike these alternatives, does not require a negotiated consent of the other party.

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Post by liketochill »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #663
liketochill wrote: post #647

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Where I live a single family home starts at 1.3 million and townhouses are 1.2 CAD, in a town of 20,000 45 minutes from a major city. $150 an hour is a charge out rate for a professional engineer not in programming or IT, and trades are closer to $100. $150/hr on salary you probably are in business consulting with a phd and charge out at $400/hr. $9k usd/mo after paying taxes and for housing is not something that’s r…

Do you like rock climbing too? Heh

Not yet… but mountain biking

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by magicroot75 »

icarusfox wrote: post #599

i'm leaving goldman after 12 years next week after our yearly compensation discussion. i started right after the crash (and one of their best years), i loved the culture out the gate. i am in the tech, often called strats, apparatus that straddles trading and technology. it's been a great place to be as the perceived "value add" against the exodus of voice traders. but the culture has changed. we can't land the best…

If I've learned anything in my brief 10 year career so far it's that we shouldn't wait for things to change, almost especially if it's explicitly promised that they will change. It's not worth the risk of disappointment. If you want your work life to be better, you have to MAKE it better. Not wait for someone else to.

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Post by oblio »

jjav wrote: post #704
eggsmediumrare wrote: post #587

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"I've never changed jobs over money" and "+/- 100k"... lol, you're in a very, very different position than most of us if "+/- 100k" isn't a fundamentally life-changing kind of +/-.

To be fair, I am in Silicon Valley so that biases the numbers towards the higher end of the ranges. But I took a ~200K pay cut from my previous job to my current one because I went from a successful public company (not FAANG but similar pay) to a startup. Startups are a gamble for sure, maybe it's not worth anything. But the base salary is still good enough to pay all my bills, so that's good enough. I try to maximiz…

> But I took a ~200K pay cut from my previous job to my current one

I'm willing to bet that if ~90% of posters on HN would take a ~200k pay cut they'd have to pay their employer money.

You're most likely living in an entirely different world to regular folks.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by oblio »

mcv wrote: post #527
ThrowAway5483 wrote: post #142

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I just left my job at one FAANG for another FAANG. I felt like I was under-compensated and talked to my manager, they said "well, go get another offer and show you're worth more". I went and got an offer that was nearly 60% higher and at a higher ladder level. My manager and director tried to retain me, but upper management "did not want to play that game", which I guess is a nice way of saying I'm not worth that muc…

This time, upper management was right and your manager was a fool. Once you have another offer, you're already halfway out the door. Encouraging employees to find other offers before they get a raise is encouraging employees to leave. If you want to keep them, just give them the raise.

The direct manager probably couldn't do that and he was blunt about what kind of proof he needed to show up the line to get upper management moving.

It's just that the offer received was above anything allowed from the top level.

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