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Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by myvoiceismypass »

0_____0 wrote: post #35
btown wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://randsinrepose.com/archives/shields-down/ is a classic article (and an incredibly important read for anyone in engineering management) that essentially argues that these two questions are fundamentally equivalent.

Jesus, I just looked at this article's bullet points for the factors that we evaluate in an instant when considering leaving a job. And where I failed every line. :\ I knew that I was looking for something else but I hadn't consciously realized it had gotten that bad. Am I happy with my job? Do I like my manager? My team? Is this project I’m working on fulfilling? Am I learning? Am I respected? Am I growing? Do I fee…

Good god. All "No" and 2 "mixed/maybe" for me.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by makecheck »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #224

One of the good things that I think happened from the pandemic is that more and more people are realizing that tying up your identity and sense of self-worth in your job is a bad thing, that's why I'm very glad to see compensation so high on this list. Sure, everyone wants to work in a good working environment, but I think the idea that "nobody left because of the money" is finally being put to bed. The fact is that…

Yes, “but” company projects often reach a certain size because of the fact that they’re driven by potential profit and have large investment. Whatever hobby/volunteer task you may find, while it might be interesting it probably will not be as far-reaching as what a job could entail. (That’s not to say they couldn’t still reach a lot, e.g. thousands of downloads, just maybe not what a company project could do.)

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Post by travisjungroth »

billsmithwicks wrote: post #217

For me, the proverbial final straw came when I delivered a dinosaur utility company it's first churn propensity score. Bit of background, my manager and their manager were non-technical and I had this thing running in evaluation mode for a few months with excellent lift in the top couple of percentiles. I had the statistics well grounded, and this thing was due to go in against basically nothing, renewal teams random…

I don't understand what happened here and why you left. Were they checking your math? Were they seeing if the suggestions made by the model made sense to them? Why would either of those things be upsetting to you?

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by sweettea »

Company vax mandate was enough of a shove to go interview (after 8.5 years with the same team since graduating). By the time my exemption was approved, I had offers for more money, and ended up taking one at a MANGA company for 225% of prior TC.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by x0054 »

Company Culture for me. I absolutely hated the company culture. But me leaving now is unrelated to the 'great resignation' as it wasn't due to compensation reasons. I will never work for a company that will have me compromise my ethics to make a dollar, and that's what they wanted me to do.

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Post by HideousKojima »

lazyasciiart wrote: post #456
jahewson wrote: post #452

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true at all. I get 3-5 recruiter emails per day many of which state comp up-front. Recently the numbers have got so high that I have to admit, it’s tempting, despite being perfectly happy in my current role.

Maybe I should start opening those recruiter emails - I don't think the ones I have read ever included salary info...

At least on Indeed 1/2 to 2/3rds of job postings for C# developers include salary ranges, and I'm sure it's similar for other languages. It's pretty nice for getting an idea of what you're worth.

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Post by pdimitar »

laserlight wrote: post #303
mawise wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd recommend _Never Split The Difference_, by former Chief FBI Hostage Negotiator Chris Voss. Very fun read and widely applicable. Spoiler: His advice is not to strong-arm, but to build trust with your counterpart.

Hostage negotiation is a game played once between parties. Most of daily life situations are repeated games, in which dynamics are different. I found that the author was biased by their experience in one-off games and their suggestions wouldn’t generalize well into repeated games. Unfortunately, there is no acknowledgement of this until the very end of the book. Still a good read though.

Not sure I understand the distinction you're making, isn't interviewing with one particular company a one-off game as well?

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

jiggawatts wrote: post #362
dobs_bob wrote: post #336

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It's like they all take the same crappy HR seminar from 20 years ago and haven't updated their skills since. Times have changed.

No, times have not changed. People are still human, employee problems are the same as ever. HR was never good at dealing with this, that’s not a new thing.

People haven't changed, times have; the market currently favors employees in a way that pushes poor HR policies from "annoying" to "people call your bluff".

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Post by hn_version_0023 »

I left my last gig as a datacenter tech when my employer made it abundantly clear that any of us dying of covid were “acceptable losses”. At the outset they immediately moved to make sure we were classified as “essential” and then attempted to compel us to keep working. When employees began dying I left.

Because fuck you thats why. I’m not dying so some douchebag can have a second yacht. I’m happy to let the entire system burn to the ground.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

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Post by godDLL »

Back when I left there was a ceiling to compensation but no limit to exploitation. More and more would get piled onto me, more and more skimmers would be inserted between me any my salary. It just got to the point where there is not a number that would justify the way I was living.

I wasn't and didn't have in prospect a way to get the compensation in accordance to my supposed worth to any of the companies I worked for. So then I asked myself where is that money going? What am I enabling by being locked out of that much cashflow?

Following up on that direction of inquiry got me answers that I could not, physically endure. I will never be able to trust the judgement of others come before me they way I used to. The game I inherited was nihilistic to a degree incommensurate with the crowdedness imposed by growth.

Those come after, that game will not inherit. Their landscape is cynical and disjointed from the reality of people around them, aimless in it's idealism. It is possibly the right way for them to be, to survive or even thrive. For about 4% of them. Same as the nihilistic system was benefitting about 4% of us back in my time. Probably was the same back when it all ran on slave labour.

I got to understand Thiels' "competition is for losers" quip. 96% are flushed out, so this must be what the system is for. Selection, not improvement or enrichment.

But I sure know I won't be participating. You can't "change the system", it can only die to a more cynical system. I've seen it happen and I'm not playing any more.

I will not be voting. I will be doing.

My children will not go to your schools. I will be teaching.

I will not listen to a doctor that never leaves his office and is paid for my being sick.

I am too old for this shit.

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