Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

news.ycombinator.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

101–110 of 773 posts

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#101

Post by xibalba »

daenz wrote: post #54

I'll be departing my job at the end of the month. I had too many roles, affecting too many pieces of engineering, and my title didn't reflect my work. I needed to go down to a 4 day work week and have my title reflect my roles, but my manager attempted to call my bluff and essentially said it's not going to happen. I hinted about what my decision would have to be if these accomodations couldn't be made, but he didn't…

Beautiful. I remember hearing it said that if you're not willing to walk away completely from a negotiation, you have zero actual leverage. Bravo!

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#102

Post by jermaustin1 »

gxs wrote: post #59
yardie wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If people feel like they aren't being fairly compensated they'll definitely leave over the money.

This is exactly right and I think a good example of why we shouldn't generalize. I grew up poor - and judge me however you'd like - but I'd put up with less ideal conditions if the pay was worth it. Reminds me of in college when I was a waiter - I typically didn't mind a table's behavior if I knew they were going to tip well.

> but I'd put up with less ideal conditions if the pay was worth it.

They are called golden handcuffs for a reason. I think for the majority of people, they will do this. I know I will.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#103

Post by joe_fishfish »

WestCoastJustin wrote: post #73
diob wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the old generation really bought into this, but the new generation knows it's a load of bull. The poll makes it pretty obvious that compensation is the biggest reason folks leave, and it's the thinking of the old generation who doesn't know how to retain talent (they do, but they keep throwing pizza parties / sending out merch instead). It's a real "it can't be helped" mentality around retention.

Why is compensation #1 though? There is a threshold where you have enough money and it's easier to work with people you know and like. So, what do they need that extra money for? As I mentioned elsewhere housing is currently the #1 issues I see here in Canada that people are focused on. If you are a front line person, making $15 at a restaurant, plus renting where housing costs $1m+, you are probably looking for opti…

Do you know anyone where that threshold has been reached? Anyone with a family? Given the way inflation is going, I know maybe one person, and they're single with their mortgage paid off.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#104

Post by ta1642333313 »

deltaonefour wrote: post #42
rr808 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That might have been true in the old days when competitors paid 10, 20, 30% more. Now some tech companies are paying like 2x, 3x, 4x regular dev wages and its a reason to dedicate your life to this.

Its still true as a generality. I would say the majority leave because they are unhappy. Its very rare to get 2x to 4x TC unless you switch to faang, which is not the majority at all.

> which is not the majority at all.

It doesnt matter if it's the majority. It only matters on a per individual capability.

I am capable of FAANG and thus to keep me my employer(s) must both give me work w/ high value and compensate me accordingly.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#105

Post by xibalba »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #9

My old boss Eric Carlsen used to say, nobody left because of money. They may get more money if they change jobs. But they start looking because they're unhappy. So when somebody asked for more money, he'd start by asking what was bothering them.

A former boss of mine said something similar:

"People don't quit a company, they quit their manager."

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#106

Post by nazca »

There has been such a dramatic increase in comp in the tech industry recently. But it seems that is only realized through switching companies. I know for the company I'm at offers to external candidates have had to keep pace with the market, but we haven't had the budgets to increase the existing employee base. So new people typically make ~25%++ more than good tenured people.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#107

Post by dstroot »

I think as you make your way up the career ladder it starts to become less about compensation and more about the culture and politics. I would accept less compensation to work in an organization with clear goals, clear accountability, and a better, more open culture.

One item missing above is “People”. The people you work with directly on a day to day basis, including of course your own leadership make a huge impact in your work satisfaction.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#108

Post by WestCoastJustin »

aprdm wrote: post #97
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is compensation #1 though? There is a threshold where you have enough money and it's easier to work with people you know and like. So, what do they need that extra money for? As I mentioned elsewhere housing is currently the #1 issues I see here in Canada that people are focused on. If you are a front line person, making $15 at a restaurant, plus renting where housing costs $1m+, you are probably looking for opti…

Who is making 150/hour and owns a house as a dev in Canada ? Nobody that works for Canadian companies that’s for sure

Yes, if you live in Canada and work remotely for a US company.

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#109

Post by SMAAART »

I'm in the middle of switching jobs (waiting for the offer letter):

- present job is an unsustainable ~60+/ hours week, new jobs should be 45/50

- new job has higher salary, and better equity package, and company is at an earlier stage with greater prospect for the future and better industry

Re: Poll: Why are people leaving their jobs?

#110

Post by notch656a »

aprdm wrote: post #97
WestCoastJustin wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is compensation #1 though? There is a threshold where you have enough money and it's easier to work with people you know and like. So, what do they need that extra money for? As I mentioned elsewhere housing is currently the #1 issues I see here in Canada that people are focused on. If you are a front line person, making $15 at a restaurant, plus renting where housing costs $1m+, you are probably looking for opti…

Who is making 150/hour and owns a house as a dev in Canada ? Nobody that works for Canadian companies that’s for sure

I thought Canadian houses were purely to be investment vehicles for foreign speculators. Canadians actually live in homes they own?
Post reply on HN