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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by hilbert42 »

switch007 wrote: post #106
zx85wes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

Stellar, perhaps, if deaths is your only metric. I don’t consider leaving 10,000s of your own citizens stranded abroad for up to 18 months a good metric by any means. That’s suspending citizenship, and will have done irreparable damage to rights. They of course also prevented people from leaving This is before we get in to the whole topic of quarantine “hotels” and the force with which people were escorted to them an…

"This is before we get in to the whole topic of quarantine “hotels” and the force with which people were escorted to them and the conditions there"

The truly disgraceful aspect of all this is that Australia had a proper quarantine system in place and it abandoned it. When I was a kid, everyone knew of Australia's quarantine system and its past history as it was so public. Anyone who'd traveled on Sydney Harbour back then would have seen Sydney's quarantine station (I used to pass it every time I went to the beach): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Head_Quarantine_Station

The fact is Australia was unprepared for COVID because of government funding cutbacks and other political BS. The country has no one else to blame except itself.

BTW, this was the ideal site of a quarantine station, it was easily accessible (near all incoming shipping, etc.) and yet it was properly isolated geographically from the rest of Sydney (see aerial photo in wiki link), thus people who were quarantined there would not have been able to infect others as they have done in the idiotic 'hotel system' that now exists.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by hilbert42 »

ls15 wrote: post #235
dale_glass wrote: post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Welcome to international travel! Countries are sovereign entities and decide who gets through the borders. For any international gathering, there's going to be people who have a hard time making it through, or are unable. I was once invited by a company to an US based developer meeting, and couldn't make it because the company didn't realize I needed a visa, and it's absolutely impossible to get one in two weeks barr…

I think that an international sports event in a country that is too picky has no chance to stay relevant, especially if that means that it filters out some of the best athletes.

"...a country that is too picky has no chance to stay relevant, especially if that means that it filters out some of the best athletes."

No Australia didn't filter Djokovic out, he filtered himself out because of his actions (see my earlier post listing seven points). Had he been a little more prudent and less cocky, then there would have been no drama whatsoever.

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Post by mostertoaster »

_ph_ wrote: post #107
mostertoaster wrote: post #58

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

Yes, omicron is much worse than a common cold or the flu. Completely unvaccinated persons are still in quite a danger for life through it. The virus is known not only to cause death, but to cause organ damages even with lighter case and having likely long term effects. The whole affair isn't because he is likely a major risk to the population of Australia - that can be easily ruled out by a test, but about failing to…

This is the whole thing that has to stop though.

We bring up how deadly covid is, and how vaccinations help reduce symptoms, but no one is pointing out the most insane thing of the blatant discrimination against unvaccinated people to be denied entry to a place without proof of vaccination, even though, vaccinated people are still spreading the disease.

I’m sorry but supporting this crap is insanity. You literally are taking a group of people and making them the dirty untouchables, saying “show me your papers” like the discriminative parties of the past. The weird thing is those who told blacks to get to the back of the bus or called the police on their neighbor for hiding a Jew in their basement also were as convinced as all these people who defend vaccine mandates.

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Post by ghostDancer »

Jansen312 wrote: post #220
wombatmobile wrote: post #5

David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

Correct thing to do at this point is really to exclude Australian Open from future glam slam. Just drop entire Australia from it. I get that they have the right to deny anyone in but they making this entire scene due PURELY as political brownie points. Sports should stay neutral. They (entiee Australia) should be punished for dragging sports into this. Better yet deny entire Australia from any world tennis events for…

When a clothes code is required in a club and you don't wear they don't let you enter , Djokovic knew the rules but lied and tried to go over them. But as he is famous you want us to let him in. I think that all the people that want to kiss Djokovic ass are free to do it but not everybody wants.

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Post by rblatz »

dmarcos wrote: post #262
rblatz wrote: post #246

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The state of Victoria doesn’t set the rules for who can come into the country. They have no authority to grant entry to the country.

My point is that he had followed the stablished process to request an exemption and it was granted. He didn’t get special treatment because the application process is blind.

It was an exemption to State Covid-19 rules, not an exemption to enter the country. Him and his team are purposefully muddying the waters with this exemption in an attempt to bully the country into letting him in, even though he's violated their laws and is not following their regulations.

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Post by mostertoaster »

mhh__ wrote: post #85
mostertoaster wrote: post #58

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

COVID deaths in Australia are currently the highest they've ever been, how many people usually die of colds in a given day?

What does this have to do with vaccine mandates? Vaccines do NOT prevent you from getting it or spreading the disease.

Weird how these heavily vaccinated countries are still getting slammed by covid. And what do you really think it must be those stubborn unvaccinated people?

We as society would be better off if we pretended it was just like the common cold, and guess what, you might get sick and die, but most likely you’ll have some cold symptoms.

If someone has a positive covid test but no symptoms, I’d rather have them over to my house than the person with a negative covid test and mild cold symptoms.

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Post by mostertoaster »

SideburnsOfDoom wrote: post #63
mostertoaster wrote: post #58

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

> Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Yes, in many cases substantially worse. > If vaccinated people are spreading covid, and maybe more so That's not accurate either.

No it is accurate. Vaccinated people are spreading and getting covid. Or are the masks for vaccinated folks just show?

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Post by ghostDancer »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #115
tigershark wrote: post #101

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It’s not true. In all the world covid caused way more deaths than smoke related diseases. If in Slovenia it’s not the case then they are massively undercounting covid deaths. And the covid mortality is 1%, not 0.5%. Stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

I have to disagree https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco > Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke. Two years, 16+mio deaths. Total covid deaths, a bit over 5 mio. edit: even obesity, 2.8mio per year, 5.6mio in two years - htt…

The thing is that tobacco deaths are usually from several years of use. I don't think most of the dead people who died from tobacco have begin smoking this last two years meanwhile covid killing is quite faster.

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Post by mostertoaster »

underwater wrote: post #96
mostertoaster wrote: post #58

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

If you catch Omicron, and are double vaccinated, which is almost the best case, then you're still much more likely to die from COVID than the flu.

Uhh so what?

You’re also very unlikely to die from the flu.

We’re going to have a brave new world soon, where the cities will build walls and not let anyone in and will live in their little prison apartments, getting everything shipped to them, and those outside will just be living their lives, hanging out with friends, having babies, and then they will die.

Survival is not the goal. Living is.

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Post by ghostDancer »

nexxer wrote: post #258
MrRiddle wrote: post #234

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I’m Serbian as well and I haven’t heard him say any anti-vaxx statement. It’s more of a result of witch-hunt than him actually being anti-vaxx. Another thing is, why he needs a vaccine? He had Covid, giving him long lasting immunity. Vaccines stop the spread at the same level or even less than Covid immunity, so what’s the point? Just politics, there’s absolutely no reason for someone like him to risk myocarditis, he…

He's had covid twice, once in June 2020 and now in December 2021, a good example of immunity by infection not being worth much.

Also if We believe that He got it in December, that is probably a lie to not get the vaccine and enter Australia.
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