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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by tigershark »

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #69
zx85wes wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

This is a loaded question. In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere. If every life matters, the…

It’s not true. In all the world covid caused way more deaths than smoke related diseases. If in Slovenia it’s not the case then they are massively undercounting covid deaths. And the covid mortality is 1%, not 0.5%. Stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by guilhas »

Copenjin wrote: post #34
akomtu wrote: post #23

What is Australia officially afraid of? That Novak might have covid? When most of the Australians are vaxxed or have had covid already?

Rules exist.

And the government is breaking them by going back on the exemption they gave him

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by nhinck »

akomtu wrote: post #23

What is Australia officially afraid of? That Novak might have covid? When most of the Australians are vaxxed or have had covid already?

What is Australia officially afraid of? That the person driving over the speed limit might crash? When all Australians are covered by compulsory third party insurance?

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by DonHopkins »

ls15 wrote: post #13
kreeben wrote: post #4

Now the path to the finals has cleared right up for Michael Ymer. Go Sweden!

Who is going to respect such a vicory when the current champion has been blocked from participating?

After the current champion showed how little respect he has for other people's lives? Lots of people.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by relyks »

Canada wrote: post #39
relyks wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Djokovic has demonstrated recklessness in dealing with COVID precautions. Read his Instagram statement: https://www.instagram.com/p/CYnO7cDqbdj/

Would you paste it or quote from it for those of us who won't login to Instagram?

I pasted the text on the parent thread here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29931975

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by switch007 »

zx85wes wrote: post #25
wombatmobile wrote: post #5

David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

Stellar, perhaps, if deaths is your only metric.

I don’t consider leaving 10,000s of your own citizens stranded abroad for up to 18 months a good metric by any means. That’s suspending citizenship, and will have done irreparable damage to rights.

They of course also prevented people from leaving

This is before we get in to the whole topic of quarantine “hotels” and the force with which people were escorted to them and the conditions there

https://amp.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20210406-stranded-a...

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Post by _ph_ »

mostertoaster wrote: post #58

Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

Yes, omicron is much worse than a common cold or the flu. Completely unvaccinated persons are still in quite a danger for life through it.

The virus is known not only to cause death, but to cause organ damages even with lighter case and having likely long term effects.

The whole affair isn't because he is likely a major risk to the population of Australia - that can be easily ruled out by a test, but about failing to comply with the regulations of entry, especially if there was fraud involved with his documentation.

And no one understands why he didn't get vaccinated in time. Not only would that be of personal health benefit, it would make working in his profession much easier.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by mrath »

throwaway4good wrote: post #11
wombatmobile wrote: post #5

David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

How does this in any way make the Australian government look better?

Unfortunately whatever they do is not going to go well either locally or globally.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by benjaminwai »

throwaway4good wrote: post #7

Completely absurd behavior from the Australian authorities. They knew he wasn’t vaccinated from the get go, yet gave him an exemption which they later withdrew after he entered the country. No way to treat anyone, international tennis star or not.

I had a suspicion that the Tennis Australia and Victoria State Government did not want to take on the publicity battle and kicked the ball down to the Federal government. The person issuing the Visa at the Fed level either lapsed in reviewing or also decided to kick the ball down the road, which was to the Border Force. The Border Force had no choice but to act on it but messed up on the procedure. It's all bureaucratic or am I way off in thinking?

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Post by Broken_Hippo »

linspace wrote: post #51
ls15 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is going to respect such a vicory when the current champion has been blocked from participating?

Anyone who thinks Djokovic is at fault. I don't support executive power bypassing courts but I think this doesn't diminish the merit of the winner. He was more intelligent.

Why wouldn't he be? He could have just gotten vaccinated. And then, he could have not lied to them about his travel.

I mean, seriously, most folks that lie to immigration/border security get deported and aren't allowed back in. They are used as political pawns, too, but simply are a number instead of a person. I don't know why this man is supposed to be treated differently.

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