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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Why wouldn't he be? He could have just gotten vaccinated. And then, he could have not lied to them about his travel. I mean, seriously, most folks that lie to immigration/border security get deported and aren't allowed back in. They are used as political pawns, too, but simply are a number instead of a person. I don't know why this man is supposed to be treated differently.

> He could have just gotten vaccinated. He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is that mandate justified?

The vaccine risk is mostly for Moderna, and I'm not sure it is higher than getting it from covid. Moderna is not the only vaccine out there. There are slews of other effects of Covid that would definitely end his career.

I have little patience for folks that refuse to get vaccinated. You are more likely to catch and therefore spread covid (possibly killing others) and much more likely to add to the stress on the healthcare system when you get covid. If you do decide not to vaccinate after knowing this and understanding that the risks from a vaccine are less than the risks from the virus, I fully expect you to stay home and minimize your effect on others. This is partially so that folks that cannot be vaccinated don't have to suffer because you won't do your part.

Of course, staying home - the responsible thing to do if you aren't going to get vaccinated - would end his career anyway. On the other hand, he is probably monied enough for it to not have dire consequences. Unfortunately, many of the folks he inspires are not in that position.

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Djokovic was never eligible to enter Australia. He lied about having a medical excuse to not be vaccinated. He used 'exemptions' from organisations other than the immigration authorities to muddy the waters. He was trying to blag it all along and got caught. He got lucky with a border guard making a mistake which ultimately allowed him entry, but doing anything but cancelling his visa would have been contrary to norm…

Victorian Government gave him exemption. And prior to Novak arriving, the PM said it was "up to the states". Then he changed his mind within 24hrs.

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Is in the public interest of Australian people for natural immunity to be recognized and this spectacle be over In comparison they are allowed to have cricket matches with hundreds of thousands of spectators packing

Yup. EU recognizes past infections, not sure why places like Canada and Australia refuse to. It's pretty clear it's not about science at this point.

For example, in Canada some provinces have created exemptions for people who have COVID to be able to work, while firing those who are unvaccinated... Science has been completely tossed by the wayside because of politics and our vengeful population.

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Now the path to the finals has cleared right up for Michael Ymer. Go Sweden!

Who is going to respect such a vicory when the current champion has been blocked from participating?

It would be easy to take part for Djokovic if he wanted. Maybe he was not feeling like he could win so he did this circus.

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On a slightly lighter note, this rather frank exchange by a couple of Australian TV newsreaders "off-air" during the ad break was leaked and created some local amusement and outrage. Something along the lines of, "They're just saying what we are all thinking," was a common sentiment.

https://nitter.actionsack.com/MelbTigerTalk/status/148085196...

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Will Novak Djokovic face the same consequences when playing other tournaments of the grand slam in the USA, UK, and France? Presumably, he is not a citizen of any of these countries. So he does not have right of entry.

If he submits visa documents that are incomplete or incorrect, yes. He may also face issues where he violated quarantines after he knew he was positive. Maybe not the interview on the 17th but anything after.

I don't care if he is vaccinated or not, that is his choice but I have a huge problem with the elites thinking the rules don't apply to them.

There are several high profile bankers here in Switzerland one of which was specifically praised to change the toxic culture at Credit Suisse. Yet he violated quarantine multiple times like the rules don't apply to him because it's inconvenient. How is it not inconvenient for someone making barely nothing and can't work from home.

This whole pandemic has shown people that the elites play by other rules. It is time to end this.

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It’s not true. In all the world covid caused way more deaths than smoke related diseases. If in Slovenia it’s not the case then they are massively undercounting covid deaths. And the covid mortality is 1%, not 0.5%. Stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

I have to disagree https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco > Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke. Two years, 16+mio deaths. Total covid deaths, a bit over 5 mio. edit: even obesity, 2.8mio per year, 5.6mio in two years - htt…

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> They say natural resistance is better or equal than from the vaccine Who are "they" and what exactly are "they" saying? I think there is a consensus that even if you had the disease, it's wise choice to get vaccinated. Protection from vaccination and recovery is better than protection from only one of them, as far as I understand it. > Can someone explain the math to me? What math? > Also people said the regular fl…

Can't speak for the whole world, but in Canada my experience is that they're not testing for the flu anymore. Only COVID. In years past if you went to the doctor during flu season they'd do a throat swab for flu. Now it's only for COVID. I know lots of people who were sick but only tested for COVID. One of my friends was out of work for a month with a bacterial infection they missed for 2+ weeks because they only tes…

I never heard about testing for flu in the past either, except when admitted to hospital with severe disease. There is "monitoring" i.e. some random statistical testing only as far as I know.

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> he has some cardiac problem but who knows He doesn't. He want's to avoid them. For males under 40 the risk for getting myocarditis is higher than for getting it from covid. That has been discussed on HN.

If that bothers him perhaps he should stay out of Australia.

That would be ok, if there were an option for him to defend his title somewhere else or at a different time. This way it is like:

"Take this vaccine against a strain that is not spreading anymore, that you also already had, while we cannot really prove efficacy against the current dominant strain and where you have a higher risk of side effects than others, or just give up your title. Your choice."

They are blackmailing him.

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David Crowe writes in The Age https://archive.ph/Ohx6d The political cost of letting Djokovic stay was too high for Morrison Australians have been barred from visiting a dying parent in hospital, blocked from seeing a new grandchild and forbidden from having a wedding. Should they accept that a tennis star gets the leeway they were denied? Angering those Australians would have been a huge danger for Morrison when he…

Correct thing to do at this point is really to exclude Australian Open from future glam slam. Just drop entire Australia from it. I get that they have the right to deny anyone in but they making this entire scene due PURELY as political brownie points. Sports should stay neutral. They (entiee Australia) should be punished for dragging sports into this. Better yet deny entire Australia from any world tennis events for 3 years. Now, imagine, every country using their political clout to score their brownie points. The Aussie is really angry at their leaders incompetent handling of pandemic...Djokovic is just a trigger point of their accumulated disatisfaction.
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