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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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What I thought amazing was how in the court case the judge clearly sided with ND and the case was essentially decided because the immigration officials didn't follow the correct process. I wish judges like that would have shown their spine like this when it came to the awful treatment of refugees. But it seems that immigration follows lawful processes is only important if a tennis millionaire is entering the country.

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Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Do you not need to prove vaccination to enter France if you are not a French or EU citizen? Or is the exception only for athletes? Even if a visa is granted, authorities can revoke it at any time as highlighted in Australia.

I entered France from Canada a month ago. They didn't check any documents other than my passport (pretty sure they didn't check it either, just flipped to an empty page and stamped it). Vaccination wasn't required. Negative PCR test wasn't required. The only requirement was a declaration that I didn't knowingly have COVID or any symptoms (which they never checked).

That varies depending on where you're coming from and where have you been recently (and it changes based on how the situation evolves per country). I'm triple vaccinated and i still need a negative PCR to return to France from abroad.

It's entirely possible a negative PCR will be required for him.

Edit: i checked, and Serbia is in the "orange" zone for France, for which a negative PCR is required regardless of vaccination status:

https://rs.ambafrance.org/COVID-19-dernieres-informations-et...

https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/fr/conseils-aux-voyageurs/inf...

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

This is a loaded question. In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere. If every life matters, the…

Unhealthy diets affect only the people who follow them, not their peers. Smoking is different because passive smoking does affect others - that's why there have been government interventions (higher taxation, public campaigns) to reduce smoking in many countries in the last decades.

Your argument is besides the point anyway: just because there are other factors in life that can make you sick, that does not mean that we should not fight COVID.

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> obey rules applying to everyone for the greater cause of society? Sounds like communism. No cause can be considered greater than freedom. > No matter what you argue beyond, the epidemiological aspect is now not really the point here anymore. He faked stuff He should be investigated for faking then and expelled/imprisoned/fined by a court if evidence proves him guilty. > second test was just created so he counts as…

> Sounds like communism. No cause can be considered greater than freedom. Are you a 10 year old American from the Cold War? What you're saying is so comprehensively stupid I'm not entirely certain you're a real human. No, that's not what communism is. If you want to know what it really is, go read "Das Kapital" and the "Communist Manifesto", you might learn a thing or two. As for freedom... it's subjective. Absolute…

> Are you a 10 year old American from the Cold War?

No, I'm from a former communist country, we developed antibodies to "higher causes" rhetorics.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Is omnicron worse than a common cold? Maybe the colloquial you always get a new virus with every common cold is also true of covid. If vaccinated people are spreading covid (and maybe more so since their symptoms are probably so minor), what good does banning an athlete in great health do? All it proves is this is about politics and power, not health. At this point all those who go along with this charade, insisting…

Yes, omicron is much worse than a common cold or the flu. Completely unvaccinated persons are still in quite a danger for life through it. The virus is known not only to cause death, but to cause organ damages even with lighter case and having likely long term effects. The whole affair isn't because he is likely a major risk to the population of Australia - that can be easily ruled out by a test, but about failing to…

This said - that there are some risks, one must remember that these risks exists for flu as well. There is definitely risks of long term organ damage, death, or long term symptoms from flu. So when someone asks "is this worse than the flu?", one shouldn't immediate think the question is "is this something that isn't dangerous and everyone recovers without long term damage from?".

Flu can be nasty. So can several other respiratory diseases like RS. If covid fatality rate is cut to 1/10 (which optimistic reports are indicating) then one can absolutely start comparing it to the flu. But the thing is: the flu simply doesn't infect such a large part of a population at once. It's not a threat to the function of society. That's what we should be afraid of now.

If this was a flu pandemic with a virus that had this infectivity, I think the situation and response around the world would be exactly the same.

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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9/10 Australians think this guy is a grade-A dickhead. It would have been politically unpalatable for him to have been allowed to stay.

I'm a Serbian who used to be a fan of Djokovic in spite of the fact that I'm not big into tennis, but after losing a family member to Covid seeing him deciding to die on the anti-vax hill broke my heart and I don't want anything to do with him.

By your logic... I know personaly two people dead two weeks after vax and one paralyzed on half body week after vax. Schould I consider Djokovic as hero?

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Would 50000 more deaths made it look better? Australia's handling of the crisis has been stellar compared to most other countries.

This is a loaded question. In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere. If every life matters, the…

Given the multiple 'X lives matter' references I think this response is probably more loaded than the question could ever have been.

The thing with COVID is that it's a contagious and deadly disease. The thing with smoking, fizzy drinks and junk food is that they're not contagious and deadly diseases, they're lifestyle choices.

You can't compare them like-for-like.

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I have to disagree https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco > Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke. Two years, 16+mio deaths. Total covid deaths, a bit over 5 mio. edit: even obesity, 2.8mio per year, 5.6mio in two years - htt…

Only in India the excess deaths were 4.5M in one year. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-57888460 The total death count for covid will be known only in the next years and it’s for sure many multiple of the current official numbers.

So, which country data do you want to use?

Usa, 480k smoking deaths yearly - https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast... , still more than covid deaths there.

And not to mention counting the iffy counting of covid deaths (any death, even suicide within 28 days is a covid death) and covid hospitalizations ( https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/07/26/exclusive-half-c... ).

Let's be honest here... covid is really bad for old and already ill people. For young and currently healthy, the impacts of lockdowns will be worse than covid, especially for younger children (imagine just going to first grade, unable to rad and write yet, and you're put infront of a laptop with Zoom running, no real-life contact with friends, parents having to quit their jobs to take care of you, and all that to "save grandma", even with vaccines already available).

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It’s not true. In all the world covid caused way more deaths than smoke related diseases. If in Slovenia it’s not the case then they are massively undercounting covid deaths. And the covid mortality is 1%, not 0.5%. Stop spreading dangerous misinformation.

I have to disagree https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/tobacco > Tobacco kills more than 8 million people each year. More than 7 million of those deaths are the result of direct tobacco use while around 1.2 million are the result of non-smokers being exposed to second-hand smoke. Two years, 16+mio deaths. Total covid deaths, a bit over 5 mio. edit: even obesity, 2.8mio per year, 5.6mio in two years - htt…

Two years, 16+mio deaths. Total covid deaths, a bit over 5 mio.

I don't get it. You're arguing against government interventions because of relatively low fatality numbers. Yet, the fact that these numbers are not higher is a direct outcome of the world-wide vaccination campaigns. Don't you think you got it backwards?

Re: Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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One the one hand: Australia is the wrong country entirely to try this shtick on. The "fair play" ethos is strong, the "tall poppy syndrome" (1) is evidence of Australian reflexively reacting angrily to the "don't you know who I am?" routine, to someone asking for the rules for normal people to be set aside for the rich and famous. He might have gotten away with it, but once it was in the papers and the public eye was…

I think Amber Heard smuggled the dogs and not Johnny Depp. My understanding was that he was already in the country filming a movie. I think she is even being investigated about to again in Australia?
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