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Novak Djokovic's Visa Cancelled by Australian Minister for Immigration

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Draconian ones

If it's true the that he lied on the form and was going around doing press stuff while positive with COVID then they're seeming pretty reasonable. You or I would get the book thrown at us in this situation.

No, the truth is that nobody would care about you or me doing this stuff.

Djokovic is facing increased scrutiny because he is famous. Nobody would think twice about what some nobody wrote on their COVID forms.

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Now the path to the finals has cleared right up for Michael Ymer. Go Sweden!

Who is going to respect such a vicory when the current champion has been blocked from participating?

This is like he opted not to practice or opted to drink a bottle of vodka before the finals. He hasn't been "blocked".

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To give some other perspective, here's the text from Djokovic's statement on his Instagram page: > STATEMENT BY NOVAK DJOKOVIC 12 January 2022 I want to address the continuing misinformation about my activities and attendance at events in December in the lead up to my positive PCR COVID test result. This is misinformation which needs to be corrected, particularly in the interest of alleviating broader concern in the…

He should explain what he was thinking in early December, before he tested positive for COVID. Presumably he was not actually expecting to play in the Australian Open then, having no grounds for any kind of exemption? Did he actually say that at any time to anyone?

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Mandating that players who are in the highest risk group for myocarditis must be vaccinated had no good basis to begin with

What are you saying? That it makes sense for anyone in any age group to avoid the vaccine because the risk of myocarditis is so much higher from the vaccine than from the disease? I think that's not very good math Because that's one of the easiest arguments to dispel. No one should be avoiding the vaccine for that reason. Not even those who had the disease once or twice already.

He is a male under 40, isn't he? He already had covid.

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Even disregarding that the exemption was issued by the tennis association to play in the tournament, not for entering the country… it was predicated on him being able to provide a valid medical reason, _and_ not lying on his entry documents. Neither of which he managed to do.

The judge's opinion does not concur: https://www.aljazeera.com/sports/2022/1/10/judge-reinstates-... Judge Kelly noted that Djokovic had provided officials at Melbourne’s airport with a medical exemption given him by Tennis Australia, which is organising the tournament, and two medical panels. “The point I’m somewhat agitated about is what more could this man have done?” Kelly asked Djokovic’s lawyer, Nick Wood. Wood…

I do not understand the "what more could this man have done?" line.

Trying very hard to meet the rules for entering a country, but not actually being able to meet them, does not normally give people the right to enter that country.

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> He could have just gotten vaccinated. He could have just gotten carreer-ending myocarditis from the vaccination. The risk in his cohort to get it from vaccination is higher than getting it from covid, which he already had. How is that mandate justified?

The risk of getting a myocarditis from COVID itself is higher for him, if we compare the Biontech/Pfizer vaccine. Only for Moderna for people below 40 the risk was higher for myocarditis, and even that comparison doesn't include all the other risks from a COVID infection.

Is he not a male under 40?

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One the one hand: Australia is the wrong country entirely to try this shtick on. The "fair play" ethos is strong, the "tall poppy syndrome" (1) is evidence of Australian reflexively reacting angrily to the "don't you know who I am?" routine, to someone asking for the rules for normal people to be set aside for the rich and famous. He might have gotten away with it, but once it was in the papers and the public eye was…

> it would be trivial for him to actually just get vaccinated

That's not even required. He could have quarantine for 14 days too, but I imagine that would have been way too inconvenient for him. There didn't seem to be any reason why he couldn't of come earlier.

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What is Australia officially afraid of? That Novak might have covid? When most of the Australians are vaxxed or have had covid already?

They are afraid that Australian people who made the effort of being locked down and getting vaccinated would be unhappy that some Tennis star would not be required to do the same effort. That's perfectly understandable IMO.

What are those unhappy people going to do? Write a few angry comments in twitter and get their accounts banned? The true reason must be something else.

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I don't really care if they let him in. That's up to Australia.

But the various levels of government there have made a mess of this.

If the federal government controls immigration, the state government and Tennis Australia should not be issuing visas and waivers. If they do issue them, you can't blame people for travelling. And I'd be pretty pissed if I had travelled to aus, and was then refused entry despite having a visa from one government because another one didn't like it!?

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This is a loaded question. In slovenia, more people have died from smoking related illnesses than covid (even in the last two years), but somehow "corona lives matter", peoples personal choices to go out, get ill, and risk the 0.5% chance of death don't matter, governments take more and more power, because "every life matters", but on the other hand, you can still buy cigarettes everywhere. If every life matters, the…

So we should only pay attention to whatever illness causes the most deaths and ignore the rest? You're free to get ill if you choose (from smoking, covid, whatever) but it's really hard to believe people don't understand you don't have the right to endanger others, be it with tobacco smoke or covid. That's also why we have speed limits. If you want to endanger yourself driving 250Km/h that's fine. But you can't, beca…

I mean... you probably shouldn't ignore the thing that kills the most people, to deal with something that kills less people than that. And yes, we basically do the calculation (deaths vs convenience) all the time.. look at speed limits for cars, they're just a calculation of traffic deaths per year vs time losses due to lower speed limits.. a few deaths is ok, because everyone can get to work faster, but a lot of deaths is not ok.

Especially now, with vaccines... if someone doesn't want to vaccinate, who exactly are they endangering (except others, who also chose not to vaccinate)? Thinking the vaccinated won't get in contact with omicron from other vaccinated people who got infected is stupid, but we still don't let unvaccinated people go to the bar, while I can go there, even infected (and with omicron, i could be infected right now, but noone tests us, the vaccinated ones).

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