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Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

Not to claim that what you were told isn’t true, but when people make such claims, it is often the case that they have little experience going into those areas themselves, and are simply relaying the stereotypes.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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I'm from Mexico— there's plenty of "bad places" there too. You really don't want something bad to happen to a tourist, so you focus on the worst-case scenario. It akin to a children and streets; it's easier to tell children to avoid crossing a street and not have to worry, even if statistically it's pretty unlikely an accident would happen. Moreover, since the news largely focuses on the tragedies, it's easy to get a…

Is Mazatlán considered a "bad" place?

I wouldn't say so. I've never been to Mazatlán, but I've heard it's quite nice.

IMO there aren't "bad cities" in Mexico, but cities might have neighborhoods or areas to avoid. I know people in Culiacán, famously at the center of the Sinaloa Cartel and often in the news as a dangerous place. They live a tranquil life, like anyone else would. What they complain most about is just how hot it gets in the summer.

Going back to my point though if a friend were visiting I'd just tell them to stick to Mazatlán or other known touristy places. Both for the peace of mind and because its easier to get around with English.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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> I mean, assuming your experiences are shared to some extent with everyone else's is a pretty human thing to do. It's also a particularly American thing to do, perhaps for cultural reasons. You really have no idea what you are talking about, but don't let it stop you.

I think you're the one who has no idea what you are talking about and should just accept that you're wrong. > I wouldn't recommend [wandering around like a clueless tourist, late at night] in any part of any city. I have lived in Tokyo, NYC, San Francisco for at least 2 years each. Tokyo is a concrete and non-hypothetical counterexample to your proposition. > We can always construct hypothetical situations that meet…

I don't know what I'm talking about in regard to my own experiece and thinking? Perhaps you can inform me.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

I lived in a favela in Rio Comprido controlled by comando vermelho (tropa 17) all 2019/2020.. I used to visit my gf and her family, at first but then when the pandemic happened I rented the 'apartment' underneath their 'apartment'. Everyday I would walk past the the checkpoint with like a 15 year old guy with an extened clip glock behind a makeshift cement barrier. The internet situation was pretty weird, some teleco…

Great comment, what are the drugs?

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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I lived in a favela in Rio Comprido controlled by comando vermelho (tropa 17) all 2019/2020.. I used to visit my gf and her family, at first but then when the pandemic happened I rented the 'apartment' underneath their 'apartment'. Everyday I would walk past the the checkpoint with like a 15 year old guy with an extened clip glock behind a makeshift cement barrier. The internet situation was pretty weird, some teleco…

Great comment, what are the drugs?

quite a bit of marijuana wrapped in saran wrap, and clumps of cocaine in little plastic tubes. The weed is pretty poor quality(oldish filled with seeds), but I like poor quality weed because I don't like to be too stoned. I am not an expert on coke, and tossed it after a few sniffs, I think it was pretty good quality, and at 2-3 dollars a gram its a steal, but I didn't want to be nuts when my gf's parents came back the next day. They are also evangelical christians and probably not okay with my curiosity so i flushed it.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Is Mazatlán considered a "bad" place?

I wouldn't say so. I've never been to Mazatlán, but I've heard it's quite nice. IMO there aren't "bad cities" in Mexico, but cities might have neighborhoods or areas to avoid. I know people in Culiacán, famously at the center of the Sinaloa Cartel and often in the news as a dangerous place. They live a tranquil life, like anyone else would. What they complain most about is just how hot it gets in the summer. Going ba…

My Spanish is fine but I just wanted to drive from Durango to Mazatlán

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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There is absolutely no evidence for any of this global "neoliberal" conspiracy theory. The Western states have been embracing social democracy, predicated on forced income redistribution - the very opposite of "neoliberalism" - at an unprecedented rate: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/social-spending-oecd-long... These ideological narratives that claim that political parties which advocate for more government powe…

> The Western states have been embracing social democracy No, they haven't. Stop peddling this obvious bullshit based on a single figure stretched all the way to the moon. Social spending != social democracy. Social spending != welfare state. As I've asked for previously, and what you always - unsurprisingly - fail to provide: please present a single reputable, non-free-market think-tank, source that agrees that the…

High levels of social spending is indeed a hallmark of social democracy.

The creation of major new social welfare programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and TANF, since 1960, corresponds with a massive increase in the share of economic output expropriated by the state for the purpose of expending it on social programs.

Claiming Western states did not experience a transition to a more social democratic economic model, amidst the creation of major social welfare programs, and a massive increase in social welfare spending, is insane gaslighting.

>>a single figure

What an incredibly disingenuous way to characterize the share of GDP spent on government social welfare programs.

This is an all-encompassing figure that encapsulates every major type of social democratic spending.

Claiming that me using this extremely revealing macro-economic statistic, as evidence of the rise of social democracy, as:

"peddling this obvious bullshit based on a single figure stretched all the way to the moon"

is a desperate attempt to gaslight the public to hide reality from it.

>>non-free-market think-tank

Any think tank worth its salt is pro-free-market. Non-free-market think tanks are ideologically-motivated crank organizations, and usually on the payroll of the direct beneficiaries of social democracy - public sector unions.

Whether social democracy ideologues/apologists will admit that Western states experienced a massive transition to a more social democratic economic model over the last 60 years, doesn't change what the evidence, and any remotely sane analysis of it, shows.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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> The Western states have been embracing social democracy No, they haven't. Stop peddling this obvious bullshit based on a single figure stretched all the way to the moon. Social spending != social democracy. Social spending != welfare state. As I've asked for previously, and what you always - unsurprisingly - fail to provide: please present a single reputable, non-free-market think-tank, source that agrees that the…

High levels of social spending is indeed a hallmark of social democracy. The creation of major new social welfare programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and TANF, since 1960, corresponds with a massive increase in the share of economic output expropriated by the state for the purpose of expending it on social programs. Claiming Western states did not experience a transition to a more social democratic economic mode…

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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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> The Western states have been embracing social democracy No, they haven't. Stop peddling this obvious bullshit based on a single figure stretched all the way to the moon. Social spending != social democracy. Social spending != welfare state. As I've asked for previously, and what you always - unsurprisingly - fail to provide: please present a single reputable, non-free-market think-tank, source that agrees that the…

High levels of social spending is indeed a hallmark of social democracy. The creation of major new social welfare programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and TANF, since 1960, corresponds with a massive increase in the share of economic output expropriated by the state for the purpose of expending it on social programs. Claiming Western states did not experience a transition to a more social democratic economic mode…

Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence. You have provided none.

Where's the reputable source that can back up your claims with more than just an outlandishly superficial and biased interpretation of a single figure?

> extremely revealing macro-economic statistic, as evidence of the rise of social democracy

No, it just isn't. If it was true, you wouldn't have any problem at all providing a reputable source agreeing with your claim. But you clearly do.

> Any think tank worth its salt is pro-free-market. Non-free-market think tanks are ideologically-motivated crank organizations, and usually on the payroll of the direct beneficiaries of social democracy - public sector unions.

That's not based in reality whatsoever.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

High levels of social spending is indeed a hallmark of social democracy. The creation of major new social welfare programs, like Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP, and TANF, since 1960, corresponds with a massive increase in the share of economic output expropriated by the state for the purpose of expending it on social programs. Claiming Western states did not experience a transition to a more social democratic economic mode…

Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence. You have provided none. Where's the reputable source that can back up your claims with more than just an outlandishly superficial and biased interpretation of a single figure? > extremely revealing macro-economic statistic, as evidence of the rise of social democracy No, it just isn't. If it was true, you wouldn't have any problem at all providing a reputable sou…

>>Extra-ordinary claims require extra-ordinary evidence. You have provided none.

You have yet to explain what is extraordinary about my claim, besides your baseless claim that the intellectual authorities you defer to haven't concurred with the assertion.

The statistics speak for themselves, and don't need confirmation from the state apparatus' amen corner to be believed.

>>outlandishly superficial and biased interpretation of a single figure?

Again with your absurdly disingenuous characterization of the share of GDP spent on government social welfare programs.

One more time:

This is an all-encompassing figure that is constituted solely by different types of social democratic spending, and encapsulates every major type of social democratic spending.

Claiming that me using this extremely revealing macro-economic statistic, as evidence of the rise of social democracy, as:

"an outlandishly superficial and biased interpretation"

is a desperate attempt to gaslight the public to hide reality from it.

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