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Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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As electricity is the favela is free..Wait until the cryptominers move in. Maybe that is the solution to end drugs and violence?

Until you see the banners put up in the favela: anyone defending crypto and nfts, etc will receive a beating

This is an atual banner

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western s…

I’m pretty sure the liberal west would rather see Lula instead of Bolsonaro (who is Latin America’s Trump!). And besides it was not Bolsonaro who was behind the massive corruption scheme organized by the Workers Party (I mean either mensalao or have another sitting duck government, so it’s always lose-lose, but that’s beside the point). between Lula and Kirchner, I’d rather have YOLO Bukele!

What makes you think the West would have Lula over Bolsonaro?

I come from a country ruled by a literal monarchy. That country is on very good terms with many western countries, such as the US. For the countries we aren't on good terms with, it's a question of geopolitics and trade.

A few years back there was a wave of revolutions in the area, that were touted as liberal (a lot of them really weren't). Oddly enough, there was little media attention, no agitation, and no support to that movement when it came to our country, even though we are even worse as a literal monarchy (in theory we have elections - they don't matter, think China but worse).

So it seems clear to me that the West will align with whoever is going to give better deals economically and geopolitically. In Brazil that's clearly Bolsonaro over Lula.

And of course there is plenty of corruption in Brazil. You can't root out corruption at the ballot box. It doesn't work like that.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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This country should have never normalized favelas. Just 50 years ago, places like Singapore and Seoul used to have slums that looked a lot like Brazilian favelas. But they invested in public housing and now look like sci-fi cities from the 25th century, while we were singing "quem mora no morro vive pertinho do ceu".

I understand your point and I see comparisons with South Korea a lot. Sibling commenter makes a good remark about education. Another huge difference which can't be underestimated is the geopolitical importance of South Korea and the ensuing economic aid from the US. Singapore also has uniquenesses (its location) that wouldn't translate well into other countries. In no way does this diminish the merits of both those c…

Another big difference is that both of them were absolute dictatorships at the time, which means they would develop differently from democracies in general, let alone a very corrupt and flawed democracy like Brazil.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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post #111
post #110

As electricity is the favela is free..Wait until the cryptominers move in. Maybe that is the solution to end drugs and violence?

Until you see the banners put up in the favela: anyone defending crypto and nfts, etc will receive a beating This is an atual banner

Maybe. But they are already doing it:

https://infograficos.estadao.com.br/focas/por-minha-conta/ma...

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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> Perhaps you're used to cities with higher crime rates, and are projecting that onto every city. Must we make up hypotheticals for my state of mind too? Perhaps stick to the facts and stay away from the person.

I mean, assuming your experiences are shared to some extent with everyone else's is a pretty human thing to do. It's also a particularly American thing to do, perhaps for cultural reasons. My point is this isn't a hypothetical; you can walk around Tokyo at night and be fine.

> I mean, assuming your experiences are shared to some extent with everyone else's is a pretty human thing to do. It's also a particularly American thing to do, perhaps for cultural reasons.

You really have no idea what you are talking about, but don't let it stop you.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

I lived in a favela in Rio Comprido controlled by comando vermelho (tropa 17) all 2019/2020.. I used to visit my gf and her family, at first but then when the pandemic happened I rented the 'apartment' underneath their 'apartment'.

Everyday I would walk past the the checkpoint with like a 15 year old guy with an extened clip glock behind a makeshift cement barrier.

The internet situation was pretty weird, some telecom, that I could barely get any info on made a deal with the comando to provide everyone with internet. every month I would walk up with my gf further up the hill where the C.V. headquarters were and we would pay I think about 20 dollars to the boss, this big fat black guy with a revolver and a metal cash box, and a list on paper of all the families that paid, and what speed/tier they paid for, I opted for the 30 dollar a month ultrafast bandwidth(i didnt notice a difference), but it was fast enough for my gf who was Gold in League of Legends to have 40 ping.

This was not one of the major telecoms, and they had some sort of deal with the C.V. and when the internet would fuck up the Commando even had technicians

https://imgur.com/a/J9QjBuQ

here is the favela

across the way from the checkpoint CV is selling drugs on a ping pong table, one day when my gf+her family was out of town I just had to go see what the deal was and bought a little bit of everything

https://imgur.com/a/DD1xeh6

CV stands for Comando vermelho(red command) and PR stands for the favela Paula Ramos..

CV also made money from the little busses that i took to come and go, the other way they make lots of money is selling gas, and selling guns to bandits.

EDIT: Also forgot to mention I never felt unsafe at all, and have been robbed only outside of the favela.. If there is any crime or stuff like that the comando would kill the robber or thieves. I only felt unsafe when the police/bope would come on raids, because they didnt get their monthly bribe.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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I have mixed feelings about the article. I was curious to read about a tech boom. They described a twitch player which earns enough to be afloat. A gaming pro team and an artist selling nft's. Is it just an add for nft's or a submarine piece for afro games.

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western s…

Does MAV-PT still pay for spam or are you doing this for free? (The party this guy is spamming for is widely known for paying for spam comments and generating politic discussions online)

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Who pays the anthropologists? And what cultural biases do they infuse in their work? Modern gangs also sometimes organize via voluntary cooperation. Their ability to commit violence and control their territory is merely the foundation of their legitimacy in any non violent agreement. Same foundation as all "official" governments.

Who pays the anthropologists? Yeah I guess they're all just paid shills, and have no idea of what they're talking about.

I think the poster above is suggesting something much more nuanced than that. I think they're trying to say that the anthropologists do know what they research, to the best of their abilities. However, I think they're suggesting that anthropology projects are less likely to get funding if the likely reported results would heavily suggest theories that are ultimately critical of whichever seated establishment funded them in the first place.

Think about it this way - would you be willing to pay me 5% of your pay for this month to have me generate a report of your productivity, if you already knew I was highly likely to send a result that suggests your boss might want to fire you? If you were expected to pay me to do such a report for some reason, I think you'd prefer to pay me to report on someone else's productivity instead.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who pays the anthropologists? Yeah I guess they're all just paid shills, and have no idea of what they're talking about.

I think the poster above is suggesting something much more nuanced than that. I think they're trying to say that the anthropologists do know what they research, to the best of their abilities. However, I think they're suggesting that anthropology projects are less likely to get funding if the likely reported results would heavily suggest theories that are ultimately critical of whichever seated establishment funded t…

I don't think it was that nuanced, actually.

Basically it came down to an attempt at FUD: "Everyone is biased, you can't really trust anyone, therefore I don't need to acknowledge of any of the substantive points you are making."

Misdirection, in other words.

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