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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by CorrectHorseBat »

johnnywasagood wrote: post #297
bipson wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the alternative is running a system with a ton of outdated software, with known bugs and active exploits while casually surfing the "oh-so-cosy-and-entirely-harmless" WWW... The goal is not to ostracize automatic updates, but to have faster fixes. Or to separate security updates from feature updates, but I think this ship has long sailed for modern browsers.

The goal is to fully control your environment and not to expecting some unexpected updates. User is the one who must choose update policy. If user is choosing to not update then it's their own problem and no manufacturer has the right to deside otherwise.

Automatic updates are a good default, you can always disable them if you don't want them.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by mikro2nd »

jacquesm wrote: post #279
zuhsetaqi wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don’t you just disable automatic updates?

Good question. Because for security reasons you want to stay up-to-date on software that connects to various websites. At the same time, from a functionality point of view I wished I'd never have to update anything.

It's not a question of avoiding updates altogether, but the sad reality that it always seems to choose the most inconvenient and/or expensive time to do it. If they'd just do as Thunderbird does -- notify me that there's an update and ask me what action I'd like to take -- there'd be no problem. As it is, being unable to choose when the update happens is unacceptable.

FWIW I've tried every documented setting, "enterprise" policies, etc. to prevent automatic updates in FF, but nothing seems to stick.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by skinkestek »

smcl wrote: post #309
skinkestek wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is for people like me who doesn't want every domain I ever type in to be sent to Google or somewhere else for autocompletion. I mean, most of all lkve autocomplete, but when you type in . or what have you, are you sure you want everyone of these keystrokes to go to Google? If not then you want a separate search field.

Ah I think you're mistaken. We're talking about when you open a new tab in Firefox the default landing page has a little grid showing commonly accessed sites as well as an additional search/address bar which says "Search with google or enter address" We have the same feelings on this - I also would prefer an explicitly separate search bar and address bar. Edit: or maybe I'm understanding Ekaros' comment incorrectly?…

Aha, very possibly I'm mistaken.

I wondered why anyone still saw the search bar without explicitly enabling it.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by londons_explore »

bryanp2021 wrote: post #302

I've been using firefox since its very first day. In recent months I have had quite a lot of issues. Somehow the fullscreen mode always shows "Press ESC to escape". Last week, somehow all my cookies are gone and I have to re-login all sites again; worst, all add-ons settings are gone too. Well quite a lot of stuff. It's my mistake to install some add-ons or something crazy, but I really hope there is any easy way to…

Unfortunately no browser is yet sufficiently bug-free for a frequent user not to hit bugs pretty frequently... Eg. last week Chrome kept displaying graphical glitches wherever webgl content should render...

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by JokerDan »

folli wrote: post #221
jbaiter wrote: post #6

What worked for me was disabling HTTP3 support with the 'network.http.http3.enabled' key in about:config and then restarting Firefox. Seems like it's stuck in the 'SocketThread', repeatedly doing this: 2022-01-13 08:20:53.075936 UTC - [Parent 4106991: Socket Thread]: V/nsHttp Http3Stream::OnReadSegment count=333 state=4 [this=7f6e295623a0]

It seems there's no need anymore, autoupdate fixes the issue since approx 09:25 UTC

Which Ver number?

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

jacquesm wrote: post #288
guipsp wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Http3 has existed in ff for a while. What triggered this was some back end service switching to http3, triggering the bug. Even if you don't update your browser, the world updates around it

My browser isn't supposed to have any 'backend services'. Especially not backend services that I did not explicitly opt in to.

It's not a backend service on your browser, it's on whatever webpage you tried to visit.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by pedro2 »

jiggawatts wrote: post #310
dantondwa wrote: post #37

And here I go explaining my friends and family I helped switch to Firefox that the browser I've installed on their computers got broken at the beginning of a new day while Edge and Chrome work fine... personally, I know very well bugs happen and I'm not mad, but this certainly hurts the confidence in it for the non-tech people.

I've spent the last 3 days angrily submitting bug ticket after bug ticket, including one for Firefox. I just got a new laptop, and the amount of things that get shipped totally broken is just crazy. Windows 11 almost but not entirely broke HDR. It kinda-sorta works for some things, sometimes , but most apps that used to work with HDR back in Windows 10 just can't any more and are forced to use SDR with sRGB gamut onl…

Well it's cheaper that way.

Want it better? Augment competition and try to avoid monopolies.

EDIT: Actionable advice: avoid SW or HW which isn't at least 6 months old.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by rossmohax »

jiggawatts wrote: post #310
dantondwa wrote: post #37

And here I go explaining my friends and family I helped switch to Firefox that the browser I've installed on their computers got broken at the beginning of a new day while Edge and Chrome work fine... personally, I know very well bugs happen and I'm not mad, but this certainly hurts the confidence in it for the non-tech people.

I've spent the last 3 days angrily submitting bug ticket after bug ticket, including one for Firefox. I just got a new laptop, and the amount of things that get shipped totally broken is just crazy. Windows 11 almost but not entirely broke HDR. It kinda-sorta works for some things, sometimes , but most apps that used to work with HDR back in Windows 10 just can't any more and are forced to use SDR with sRGB gamut onl…

Isn't test automation and demise of manual QA are just consequences of large increase in the test surface? Many more features, greater hardware variance, changes to underneth tech stacks, etc all lead to a combinatorial explosion of what to be tested and manual QA wont be able to cover any significant portion of it, unless James Webb like money are spent on QA.
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