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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by smcl »

Ekaros wrote: post #181
smcl wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just yesterday I was telling a colleague who was fighting with chrome (entering the address `something.companyname.local` caused chrome to search for that string, he had to enter ` https://something.companyname.local ` for it to work) they should just switch to Firefox. Bugs happen but this is a pretty annoying one.

On other hand I find it annoying that the start page of Firefox has box I always think of as search, but it is also address bar. While address bar is already at top. So I search some filename just for it to try to access it...

Oh weird you're right, I don't think I've ever interacted with that extra address/search bar. I wonder what they were thinking, that seems redundant and a bit silly

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by glandium »

AlexanderGrooff wrote: post #141

I've found that AppArmor started to block Firefox: audit: type=1400 audit(1642063521.864:246): apparmor="DENIED" operation="ptrace" profile="snap.firefox.firefox" pid=9868 comm="Shutdow~minator" requested_mask="trace" denied_mask="trace" peer="snap.firefox.firefox" I really don't like it, but turning off Apparmor worked for me. Not sure what caused AppArmor to start complaining all of a sudden.

That smells like the Shutdown Hang Terminator triggering a crash report.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by 0xfaded »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

What would be the rough numbers required to support firefox development in terms of #devs and $?

What would be the model to get started? Can we start by funding a fork (similar to iceweasel) with the eventual goal of hard forking once the needed resources are available?

I like you would be more than happy to pay $10/month. I pay $20/month for a bike! (relatively cheap in Denmark where taking my good bike to the shop costs me ~$500 every time I fall off). The problem is that there isn't a box on the internet for my CC.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by qwerty456127 »

a5aAqU wrote: post #73
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.

> I don't know why people use DOH anyway.

To make it slightly less visible what websites do you visit.

To bypass DNS-based censoring some ISPs deploy as some governments require them.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by rvz »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

> I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an open source browser. That’s it.

The 'open web' died when Chrome overtook Firefox and are still paying for more than >85% of all their revenues just to be on life support in return for ruining the 'open web'.

> If they don't turn this around then I hope others will step up and reclaim the web!

The web has been reclaimed by Google from Microsoft - exchanging from one behemoth to another. Firefox is always behind Chrome's features and many web developers still continue to place banners on users to 'Switch to Chrome'. So it is already over before it has started.

> it's also a cry to let people explicitly support browser-only development via donations, subscriptions and show our support.

One more thing, even if one was to support via 'donations', they are not funding Firefox, it is funding something totally irrelevant in Mozilla and Google is once again keeping them on life support.

What a magnificent disaster.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jhoechtl »

skywal_l wrote: post #70
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

I don't think Mozilla's income is a problem. They are making money. The problem is how they spend that money. My impression is that they lost the original spirit. Mozilla lacked a BDFL that would embody that spirit. What's going on at Mozilla is probably what's going to happen for Linux once Linus is out. Both these pieces of open source software are way too big to be replicated now by a dude or a bunch of dudes and…

> I don't think Mozilla's income is a problem. They are making money. The problem is ...

... from whom they get the money. Its primarily Google who keeps Firefox alive to prevent lawsuits against their market dominance due to missing alternatives.

A clear indication that they are in that area a de-facto a monopoly.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by stef25 »

smcl wrote: post #145
dantondwa wrote: post #37

And here I go explaining my friends and family I helped switch to Firefox that the browser I've installed on their computers got broken at the beginning of a new day while Edge and Chrome work fine... personally, I know very well bugs happen and I'm not mad, but this certainly hurts the confidence in it for the non-tech people.

Just yesterday I was telling a colleague who was fighting with chrome (entering the address `something.companyname.local` caused chrome to search for that string, he had to enter ` https://something.companyname.local ` for it to work) they should just switch to Firefox. Bugs happen but this is a pretty annoying one.

FF does that as well with my local dev sites. It does suggest "did you mean to go to ...", which then works.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by glandium »

jacquesm wrote: post #76
mellavora wrote: post #65

What's driving me crazy about Firefox is that every time they release a new version, whatever version I am running on my machine stops working-- it refuses to load any new page or to refresh any existing page. So I have to open Safari and download and install the latest release. Which means I can never count on Firefox working. Frustrating. osx, if that helps anyone suggest a fix.

I'm a very long time die-hard Firefox user, the only reason I even have Chrome on my system is because I built an application that requires WebMIDI, which Firefox still refuses to support. But I'm starting to believe that the browser wars have been conclusively lost and it's time to throw in the towel. Losing a whole morning on this trick is really pissing me off, I'm in the middle of a bunch of stuff and if not for…

https://twitter.com/gabrielesvelto/status/147409707425380352...

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jabiko »

mftb wrote: post #175
Grollicus wrote: post #74

It seems another workaround is disabling the collection of usage data: https://twitter.com/vanilla_chief/status/1481546294489489409 €: It seems telemetry does no longer triggers the bug as they've changed something on the server side? So this probably won't help anymore.

I already had that disabled when it struck me.

The current theory is that some CDN/LoadBalancer updated its HTTP3 implementation and is now triggering a bug in the HTTP3 stack of Firefox: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c21

It just happens that the usage data collection uses that CDN thus triggering the bug. But you can also encounter it by just visiting any other website served by that CDN.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by xorcist »

roenxi wrote: post #184
mschuster91 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What's going on at Mozilla is probably what's going to happen for Linux once Linus is out. > Both these pieces of open source software are way too big to be replicated now by a dude or a bunch of dudes and also way too big to be maintained by people on their free time. They require resources and organization which itself corrupt the original spirit. I doubt that one. There are a lot of big companies who employ the…

Having lots of corporations involved in something doesn't protect the direction it goes in. Corporate interests could easily, for example, try to start adding in closed source blobs or providing support for people doing so. In fact, when Linus is gone, they probably will. Software projects do seem to benefit from having firm voices empowered to say "no". Committees are incapable of doing that. Sooner or later they en…

None of the core lieutenants would be doing that work if their interests wasn't aligned with Linus'.

The culture around kernel development is strong, at the risk of scaring away newcomers. But a tight knit community also means it probably wouldn't change much even without Linus.

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