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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by Ekaros »

smcl wrote: post #145
dantondwa wrote: post #37

And here I go explaining my friends and family I helped switch to Firefox that the browser I've installed on their computers got broken at the beginning of a new day while Edge and Chrome work fine... personally, I know very well bugs happen and I'm not mad, but this certainly hurts the confidence in it for the non-tech people.

Just yesterday I was telling a colleague who was fighting with chrome (entering the address `something.companyname.local` caused chrome to search for that string, he had to enter ` https://something.companyname.local ` for it to work) they should just switch to Firefox. Bugs happen but this is a pretty annoying one.

On other hand I find it annoying that the start page of Firefox has box I always think of as search, but it is also address bar. While address bar is already at top. So I search some filename just for it to try to access it...

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by rvz »

hereforphone wrote: post #50

I gave up on Firefox awhile back and switched to Brave. I felt like Firefox kept getting less efficient and more bulky after many years of using it. So far happy with Brave.

Mozilla already gave up on everyone, just look at this mess. No wonder Firefox is in decline and has given up on privacy.

You might as well use Brave. Which that is a good choice.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by Vinnl »

Updates on the bug:

> We have other services with the same type of load balancer in front of it and we currently suspect it is an HTTP/3 load balancing problem.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c17

> Our current suspicion is that Google Cloud Load Balancer (or a similar CloudFlare service) that fronts one of our own servers got an update that triggers an existing HTTP3 bug. Telemetry was first implicated because it's one of the first services a normal Firefox configuration will connect first, but presumably the bug will trigger with any other connection to such a server. Our current plan is to disable HTTP3 to mitigate until we can locate the exact bug in the networking stack.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c21

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by roenxi »

mschuster91 wrote: post #162
skywal_l wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think Mozilla's income is a problem. They are making money. The problem is how they spend that money. My impression is that they lost the original spirit. Mozilla lacked a BDFL that would embody that spirit. What's going on at Mozilla is probably what's going to happen for Linux once Linus is out. Both these pieces of open source software are way too big to be replicated now by a dude or a bunch of dudes and…

> What's going on at Mozilla is probably what's going to happen for Linux once Linus is out. > Both these pieces of open source software are way too big to be replicated now by a dude or a bunch of dudes and also way too big to be maintained by people on their free time. They require resources and organization which itself corrupt the original spirit. I doubt that one. There are a lot of big companies who employ the…

Having lots of corporations involved in something doesn't protect the direction it goes in. Corporate interests could easily, for example, try to start adding in closed source blobs or providing support for people doing so. In fact, when Linus is gone, they probably will.

Software projects do seem to benefit from having firm voices empowered to say "no". Committees are incapable of doing that. Sooner or later they end up stuffed with friendly people who compromise their way to yes. That isn't an unacceptable outcome, but it'll be a different and probably worse project when that happens.

I suppose there are counterexamples - like Debian. But they have some very interesting social traditions and they don't let just anyone in to the club.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by brabel »

jbaiter wrote: post #6

What worked for me was disabling HTTP3 support with the 'network.http.http3.enabled' key in about:config and then restarting Firefox. Seems like it's stuck in the 'SocketThread', repeatedly doing this: 2022-01-13 08:20:53.075936 UTC - [Parent 4106991: Socket Thread]: V/nsHttp Http3Stream::OnReadSegment count=333 state=4 [this=7f6e295623a0]

I only had to do a hard restart (force quit it, as others point out, just closing the window causes FF to hang). After restarting, everything seems to work fine.

EDIT: my FF version is 91.5.0esr (64-bit) on MacOS.

Many of my colleagues had the same issue today, and they all report that just restarting FF fixes the problem (one restarted the computer itself).

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

Vinnl wrote: post #171
jacquesm wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but if it wasn't active then it might as well not have been. This is a great way to bypass continuity testing, I really pity all those people working the desks in hospitals right now using FireFox who are typically less savvy than your average HN'er in trying to get their work done. If you ship a browser with a time-bomb you are utterly irresponsible.

At this time it doesn't appear to be a surreptitious update, but a load balancer issue: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c17

Sorry, but my traffic isn't supposed to go through anybody's centralized load balancer, least of all one operated by parties with whom I do not have a relationship on the basis of the delivery of some service.

That's not how this works. HTTP/3 support is optional as far as I'm concerned and plenty of websites that I tested with do not support it and still failed due to this issue.

Absolutely unacceptable.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by elcapitan »

nottorp wrote: post #170
V-2 wrote: post #127

I know it's a rant for which I may get downvoted, but I've grown really tired with Firefox. It's only my laziness (having to recreate all the setup, find equivalent extensions etc.) that keeps me from switching to another browser. Crashing tabs, losing pinned tabs, having to restart the browser when I switch to another wi-fi (eg. return home from the office), or otherwise all I'm getting is SEC_ERROR_BAD_SIGNATURE er…

I think that sometimes, but where else can you run ublock origin and facebook and google containers?

Multi-Account Containers are really the only remaining feature that keeps me from switching to Chrome. Obviously this won't happen in Chrome though :/
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