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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by Vinnl »

jacquesm wrote: post #149
00deadbeef wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Which wasn't present in previous versions. So this is still a consequence of updates. Looks like HTTP/3 has been in Firefox for around a year

Yes, but if it wasn't active then it might as well not have been. This is a great way to bypass continuity testing, I really pity all those people working the desks in hospitals right now using FireFox who are typically less savvy than your average HN'er in trying to get their work done. If you ship a browser with a time-bomb you are utterly irresponsible.

At this time it doesn't appear to be a surreptitious update, but a load balancer issue: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c17

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by hdjjhhvvhga »

chaz6 wrote: post #131

I suggested that data collection should be opt-in since it is (almost) the cause of this issue, and my comment was hidden for "advocacy". https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c11

"Advocacy"?! This is crucial information that should help them solving the problem! Switching Firefox Data Collection completely solves the problem and allows users to use HTTP3, but it looks like they prefer us not to use HTTP3 but have Firefox Data Collection turned on instead.

I mean, in normal circumstances I'd understand it, but hiding this kind of key information as "advocacy" is unacceptable.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by faeyanpiraat »

bayindirh wrote: post #155
uraniumjelly wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It bypasses your hosts file It doesn't bypass my hosts file... I have a couple of locally hosted websites that I have rules in /etc/hosts for, and Firefox resolves them correctly even with DOH enabled.

It might be falling back to hosts for them or if they're ending with .local or .home, it's hitting hosts file first for them.

You can locally host .com aswell

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by bayindirh »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #62
alexb_ wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it has nothing to do with the version, so it's not an update from Mozilla's end. Still bad though.

If that's the case then I might be wrong. But I remember updating somewhere yesterday and using FF for a couple of hours before stopping for the day. This morning no pages loaded anymore. Hope I didn't jump to conclusions, but still.

It's not from Mozilla. My two computers stopped at different times, and both were on 95.0.x. I didn't restart Firefox to make it happen. It just froze in the middle of the video.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by mftb »

Grollicus wrote: post #74

It seems another workaround is disabling the collection of usage data: https://twitter.com/vanilla_chief/status/1481546294489489409 €: It seems telemetry does no longer triggers the bug as they've changed something on the server side? So this probably won't help anymore.

I already had that disabled when it struck me.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by duncanc4 »

Grollicus wrote: post #74

It seems another workaround is disabling the collection of usage data: https://twitter.com/vanilla_chief/status/1481546294489489409 €: It seems telemetry does no longer triggers the bug as they've changed something on the server side? So this probably won't help anymore.

This worked. Funny that this bug will cause people to turn off the opt-out data collection. No one is going to turn it back on after the issue is fixed.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by captainmuon »

ya_throw wrote: post #148
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

>If they don't turn this around then I hope others will step up and reclaim the web! Have you any idea how complex a browser needs to be? I hope this team of plucky, idealistic coders can keep up with all the latest and greatest web developments devised by the thousands of engineers at Google et al. The web as an open, human-sized system is dead.

If you keep the browser ultra modular, I think it can work. You need to have one component for layout, one for css, one for the DOM, and you can use external libraries for media playback, javascript, networking, and so on.

I think a decent layout or CSS library would be useful outside of a web browser, too.

Then I would also only focus on the subset of websites that are "documents", not "apps". If I could decide, HTML6 would have two profiles: one ultra restricted (maybe no legacy stuff and no cross site scripting) for "documents", and one where you can do all kinds of crazy stuff like "web USB" for "apps". That's not going to happen because Google and Apple like the "open" web as complex and messy as it is, because it gives them total control as you know. But it doesn't stop a browser vendor from building a browser with two engines - your own engine for the majority of documents and chromium for webapps.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by Vinnl »

styeco wrote: post #18

I really hope the auto-update component doesn't have the same issue, otherwise Firefox is essentially dead on millions of computers owned by non-techies.

Someone just reported that it looks like a load balancer issue. Presumably, if that's the case it can also be fixed without user action: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c17
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