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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by agumonkey »

a5aAqU wrote: post #73
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

I don't understand the anger about the VPN. I think it's a good idea. Reader mode is useful, especially if you block a lot of CSS and JavaScript by default with uMatrix. I don't know why people use DOH anyway. It bypasses your hosts file, so you can't block things as easily.

One thing though, most of these new features are mitigations of annoyances (popups, crazy formatting, too much js, lack of privacy). It's odd how devs are spending time to fight against something rather than the opposite.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by MichaelBurge »

ya_throw wrote: post #192
captainmuon wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you keep the browser ultra modular, I think it can work. You need to have one component for layout, one for css, one for the DOM, and you can use external libraries for media playback, javascript, networking, and so on. I think a decent layout or CSS library would be useful outside of a web browser, too. Then I would also only focus on the subset of websites that are "documents", not "apps". If I could decide, HTM…

Sounds like a lot of work for moving lightly-formatted text files around. Also, essentially no-one wants it. What people want (whether they know it or not) is the latest shiny to keep themselves distracted.

You could start off targeting developers, who mainly use web browsers to read documentation, HN, bug trackers, code repositories, and other plain documents.

Something for regular people would be many more years of work.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by boomboomsubban »

asteroidbelt wrote: post #163
a5aAqU wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people wouldn't otherwise sign up for a VPN, and there are a lot of shady VPNs out there. Mozilla can use the feature to help reduce dependence on a company that has been trying to destroy them for years (Google), and help non-tech people get set up with a VPN.

Google is the largest financial supporters in Firefox, they buy Firefox search bar. If they wanted to destroy Firefox, they’d already do it by simply cutting that revenue stream.

Or some other search engine would become their revenue stream, like when Yahoo was the default search. Without Google bidding their revenue would likely drop, but it wouldn't disappear.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by TBrook »

Once again, thank you to jbaiter - his HTTP3 solution worked for me.

The fault occurred mid-session, whilst streaming a live broadcast, and I lost the connection.

Plenty of people using the opportunity to criticise Mozilla, but if it's a third-party srvice problem, you can't blame them.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

Vinnl wrote: post #196
jacquesm wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but my traffic isn't supposed to go through anybody's centralized load balancer, least of all one operated by parties with whom I do not have a relationship on the basis of the delivery of some service. That's not how this works. HTTP/3 support is optional as far as I'm concerned and plenty of websites that I tested with do not support it and still failed due to this issue . Absolutely unacceptable.

I'd wait a bit for the postmortem; I don't think there's reason to conclude at this time that your traffic is going through someone's centralised load balancer. Another update says that the load balancer issue triggered a bug in Firefox, so presumably fixing the load balancer issue will prevent that bug from being triggered, and then the bug can be fixed separately after: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=…

That part seems to be related to the telemetry issue, which, surprise has been re-enabled during one of the updates.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by stef25 »

michaelanckaert wrote: post #62
alexb_ wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like it has nothing to do with the version, so it's not an update from Mozilla's end. Still bad though.

If that's the case then I might be wrong. But I remember updating somewhere yesterday and using FF for a couple of hours before stopping for the day. This morning no pages loaded anymore. Hope I didn't jump to conclusions, but still.

It just stopped working this morning after 3 hours of no problems. Both developer edition and the normal version, same problem with an older version. Chrome and Safari worked fine.

Someone really fucked up. There must be millions of non techies completely lost right now.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by probably_wrong »

skywal_l wrote: post #70
michaelanckaert wrote: post #47

It is time for Mozilla to stop messing around. They are losing user trust extremely fast. A silent FireFox update that cripples the browser? No active update was done since yesterday and this morning: a broken browser. Please stop non-browser development and let me pay a monthly fee for a decent browser! I don’t want a VPN service, bookmark readers or other crap. I want Mozilla to defend the open web and create an op…

I don't think Mozilla's income is a problem. They are making money. The problem is how they spend that money. My impression is that they lost the original spirit. Mozilla lacked a BDFL that would embody that spirit. What's going on at Mozilla is probably what's going to happen for Linux once Linus is out. Both these pieces of open source software are way too big to be replicated now by a dude or a bunch of dudes and…

> My impression is that they lost the original spirit. Mozilla lacked a BDFL that would embody that spirit.

Since we are sharing our impressions, mine is that the Mozilla Foundation's current CEO doesn't believe in Firefox. Instead, I think, they are leveraging Firefox' popularity to try and position the Mozilla Foundation as a defender of internet freedom, at which point they won't need Firefox anymore.

What happens to Firefox once they achieve that? No idea. The cynic in me believes they will keep doing whatever Chrome is doing until the project is virtually dead, but I honestly hope I'm wrong.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

pmontra wrote: post #208
Semaphor wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As others said, this happened to all kinds of versions, not just 96.

It's not happening to me with Firefox 95.0.1 on Ubuntu 20.04. I'm disabling http3 anyway. Re-enabling it when Mozilla will explain what's going on. Edit: reading further comments it occurred to me that maybe I'm not affected because I'm not sending any data to Mozilla so I don't hit their HTTP3 load balancer.

Disable telemetry while you're at it: "Firefox Data Collection and Use" in settings. It seems to have re-enabled itself on some silent update. Sneaky bastards.
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