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Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by mftb »

jbaiter wrote: post #6

What worked for me was disabling HTTP3 support with the 'network.http.http3.enabled' key in about:config and then restarting Firefox. Seems like it's stuck in the 'SocketThread', repeatedly doing this: 2022-01-13 08:20:53.075936 UTC - [Parent 4106991: Socket Thread]: V/nsHttp Http3Stream::OnReadSegment count=333 state=4 [this=7f6e295623a0]

Interesting, it first hit me while I was browsing Youtube. I have been noticing aborted/stalled connections specifically on Youtube over the last week or so. I bet you they have http3 going. After upgrading to 96 today was the first time I got all new connections blocked.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by ya_throw »

captainmuon wrote: post #179
ya_throw wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If they don't turn this around then I hope others will step up and reclaim the web! Have you any idea how complex a browser needs to be? I hope this team of plucky, idealistic coders can keep up with all the latest and greatest web developments devised by the thousands of engineers at Google et al. The web as an open, human-sized system is dead.

If you keep the browser ultra modular, I think it can work. You need to have one component for layout, one for css, one for the DOM, and you can use external libraries for media playback, javascript, networking, and so on. I think a decent layout or CSS library would be useful outside of a web browser, too. Then I would also only focus on the subset of websites that are "documents", not "apps". If I could decide, HTM…

Sounds like a lot of work for moving lightly-formatted text files around. Also, essentially no-one wants it. What people want (whether they know it or not) is the latest shiny to keep themselves distracted.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by terom »

Grollicus wrote: post #74

It seems another workaround is disabling the collection of usage data: https://twitter.com/vanilla_chief/status/1481546294489489409 €: It seems telemetry does no longer triggers the bug as they've changed something on the server side? So this probably won't help anymore.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c21 telemetry is not the only service affected, it's advisable to disable http3 entirely as a workaround for now

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by jacquesm »

brabel wrote: post #185
jbaiter wrote: post #6

What worked for me was disabling HTTP3 support with the 'network.http.http3.enabled' key in about:config and then restarting Firefox. Seems like it's stuck in the 'SocketThread', repeatedly doing this: 2022-01-13 08:20:53.075936 UTC - [Parent 4106991: Socket Thread]: V/nsHttp Http3Stream::OnReadSegment count=333 state=4 [this=7f6e295623a0]

I only had to do a hard restart (force quit it, as others point out, just closing the window causes FF to hang). After restarting, everything seems to work fine. EDIT: my FF version is 91.5.0esr (64-bit) on MacOS. Many of my colleagues had the same issue today, and they all report that just restarting FF fixes the problem (one restarted the computer itself).

Give it some time. That's exactly what I did first thing this morning, then it worked again for 20 minutes, then it broke again. And then I couldn't get it to work at all until I saw this message.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by Vinnl »

jacquesm wrote: post #186
Vinnl wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At this time it doesn't appear to be a surreptitious update, but a load balancer issue: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c17

Sorry, but my traffic isn't supposed to go through anybody's centralized load balancer, least of all one operated by parties with whom I do not have a relationship on the basis of the delivery of some service. That's not how this works. HTTP/3 support is optional as far as I'm concerned and plenty of websites that I tested with do not support it and still failed due to this issue . Absolutely unacceptable.

I'd wait a bit for the postmortem; I don't think there's reason to conclude at this time that your traffic is going through someone's centralised load balancer. Another update says that the load balancer issue triggered a bug in Firefox, so presumably fixing the load balancer issue will prevent that bug from being triggered, and then the bug can be fixed separately after: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1749908#c21

But mostly: I have no real idea what's going on, so I'm awaiting the postmortem.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by PicassoCTs »

asteroidbelt wrote: post #163
a5aAqU wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people wouldn't otherwise sign up for a VPN, and there are a lot of shady VPNs out there. Mozilla can use the feature to help reduce dependence on a company that has been trying to destroy them for years (Google), and help non-tech people get set up with a VPN.

Google is the largest financial supporters in Firefox, they buy Firefox search bar. If they wanted to destroy Firefox, they’d already do it by simply cutting that revenue stream.

They are the amd to my intel, their inability to overthrow me, completes monopoly-me.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by zelphirkalt »

Aaaand another bunch of users lost to Chrome ...

I've only spoken with 2 other people and they were not as lucky as me to have read about the fix on this very comment page, so they were "forced" to use Chrome/ium to be able to access the web. Not sure they will switch back to Firefox.

I am surely not switching to Chromium based browsers, but it is time again for me to consider switching to Icecat or so instead after what happened today.

Re: Ask HN: Firefox connection problems after enabling DoH?

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Post by ThePhysicist »

Firefox has been pretty unstable for me too recently, just now I had to kill several "GeckoMain" processes that kept churning even after I closed the browser. There also seems to be a memory-/performance leak that leads to the browser getting slower and slower the longer it is open, so once per day I have to close and re-open it, which fixes the issue.

I really try hard to like Firefox but it keeps falling behind. For certain tasks like debugging web applications I already resort to Chrome because the debug tools in Firefox are painfully slow in comparison. I guess FF developers have too beefy laptops and don't notice this, on my "old" T460p it makes the browser more and more unusable though. Same goes for opening "expensive" web apps like Slack or video conferencing tools, performance greatly degrades.

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