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Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

ls15 wrote: post #350
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in. The same goes for you printing out your certificate if they reject it because it is not an official form of proof this has nothing NOTHING to do with laws. It may inconvenience you but it's your own failing not that of lawmakers or others. The same goes for the tennis players certificate,…

> Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in. Try to gaslight someone else. There was never an obligation to carry a vaccine passport before the pandemic. > At least you came to your senses and admitted to lying about it. I am sorry, but you seem unwilling to understand. I explained how I was not able to get my status certified with…

Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic. If you got your first vaccine outside of your home country, you could have easily gotten a new one in every pharmacy or even on amazon [0]. Just because you didn't doesn't mean the country didn't offer a solution for exactly your problem. This is a dilemma of your own making not of laws and also for a lot of international travels you always needed your vaccine passport.

[0] https://www.amazon.de/Impfausweis-Impfpass-Impfbuch-internat...

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

aspenmayer wrote: post #346
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #282

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No, I go on Twitter multiple times a week and generally like it. Any active Twitter user will tell you that it's common for false and misleading tweets to go viral. That doesn't mean the site is bad, but it does mean it's a bad idea to go around posting random tweets on news aggregators, since there'll always be someone tweeting any take you can think of.

> That doesn't mean the site is bad, but it does mean it's a bad idea to go around posting random tweets on news aggregators, since there'll always be someone tweeting any take you can think of. We’re not talking about random tweets, we’re talking about on-topic tweets from posters like foone which consistently post relevant content. You’re throwing the good out with the bad and claiming that folks submitting off top…

Again, what I'm saying is that I don't think there's much good being thrown out. I don't know who foone is, so it's possible I have a biased sample somehow (maybe I don't visit at the right times?) but almost every tweet I've seen linked on HN has been false or misleading.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by befreeordie »

crnigruja wrote: post #326
grujicd wrote: post #125

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This is very sad development for me, Djokovic's countryman who really bought his story. Nut facts are facts. I can share my own (positive) test, which confirms timestamp and id theory. My test was taken on the 7th January, it was a rapid test, not a PCR. But it's in the same government database: https://pcr.euprava.gov.rs/validate.php?cqcode=1641591150Q!A... Timestamp: 1641591150, which translates to GMT: Friday, 7.…

Additionally, on Novak's PCR test from Dec 16th on the website, the test result "NEGATIVE" had been changed to "POSITIVE" sometime around 14h00 on January 10th. Noticed by several people, including myself (took screenshot even myself before and after). BTW, apparently my IP address has now been blocked accessing to that website :) I get this message now: "Ваша адреса је блокирана 24 сата! Vaša adresa je blokirana 24…

Rate limiting has been implemented on this validation page from the start to prevent crawling and abuse. And please do not lie about changes on the test! Really bad thing to do right now, not just for Novak, for everyone in his situation.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by dang »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #89

He's turning to the Donald Trump of the tennis world. No matter how cunty his behavior is, he'll have his supporters (god bless nationalism, one of the more obnoxious forms of tribalism). And now with the whole shitstorm he'll even gain the support of the anti-science antivax crowd. Like Trump and to some extent Obama, he's become the subject of a cult of personality. He can never do wrong in their eyes. Just to prot…

Your comment was correctly flagged because it broke numerous site guidelines. Please don't post like this to HN again. In particular: please don't post in the flamewar style, please don't use the site for ideological battle, and please drop the name-calling. Also, note this one, since you're breaking it badly: "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community."

If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.

Edit: actually, you've been breaking the site guidelines so frequently that I've banned this account until we get some indication that you actually want to use HN as intended. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by lern_too_spel »

logifail wrote: post #342
lern_too_spel wrote: post #340

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I was talking about mandates in the comment your comment replied to. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29903853 Do you understand now? The entire point of this thread is that vaccine mandates will allow society to open up, which is not yet possible due to health system constraints, nor was it possible earlier. Your doctor quote is nonsensical in that it doesn't say anything about when society can open up. Today? W…

> The entire point of this thread is that vaccine mandates will allow society to open up [..] I think that claim remains to be substantiated, to put it mildly.

The mechanism is straightforward.

1. Vaccine mandates increase vaccination rates.

2. Increased vaccination rates mean the health system won't be overwhelmed, allowing society to open up.

The doctor you yourself cited agrees with step 2, as do most of the governments in the world that are managing their countries' transitions to endemicity. There are multiple examples showing that step 1 is correct.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #351
ls15 wrote: post #350

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Sorry, the failure to not have your vaccination passport with you has nothing to do with laws in the country you are residing in. Try to gaslight someone else. There was never an obligation to carry a vaccine passport before the pandemic. > At least you came to your senses and admitted to lying about it. I am sorry, but you seem unwilling to understand. I explained how I was not able to get my status certified with…

Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic. If you got your first vaccine outside of your home country, you could have easily gotten a new one in every pharmacy or even on amazon [0]. Just because you didn't doesn't mean the country didn't offer a solution for exactly your problem. This is a dilemma of your own making not of laws and…

> Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic.

I am moving the lamppost (this last time) for you and everyone else to figure out that I was wrongly accused by you.

You have no idea what you are talking about and you are jumping to conclusions, because apparently you want me to be wrong about this so hard. I left before the pandemic and there was absolutely no requirement to have a vacc pass for my destination at any time. Stamping yellow passes was not even offered at the place of my vaccination. Probably somehow it would have been possible if I had the pass, but that was at least never communicated to me. I called the embassy multiple times and asked how to convert that into a cert that is accepted in the EU. They had no idea at that point. Just like you.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

ls15 wrote: post #356
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic. If you got your first vaccine outside of your home country, you could have easily gotten a new one in every pharmacy or even on amazon [0]. Just because you didn't doesn't mean the country didn't offer a solution for exactly your problem. This is a dilemma of your own making not of laws and…

> Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic. I am moving the lamppost (this last time) for you and everyone else to figure out that I was wrongly accused by you. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are jumping to conclusions, because apparently you want me to be wrong about this so hard. I left before the pandemic and…

Yeah that's probably another lie. Even when I entered North Korea they needed the WHO vaccine passport from me BUT hey I am in a good mood these days so tell us in which magic fairytale country you got vaccinated in that did not offer you to use the WHO Vaccine Passport and I google it for you and show you that you could have shown a WHO Vaccine Passport and got it "stamped". Oh and just to be 100% sure I do this for you so you can see that the problem is YOU and YOUR misinformation that you try to be persistent about. We are not even talking about the blatant lie of your first comment anymore. We are talking about a new one you fabricated by yourself by moving the post over and over again.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by ls15 »

YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #357
ls15 wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Stop moving the lamppost there was an option and YOU couldn't because you left your vaccine passport at home during a pandemic. I am moving the lamppost (this last time) for you and everyone else to figure out that I was wrongly accused by you. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are jumping to conclusions, because apparently you want me to be wrong about this so hard. I left before the pandemic and…

Yeah that's probably another lie. Even when I entered North Korea they needed the WHO vaccine passport from me BUT hey I am in a good mood these days so tell us in which magic fairytale country you got vaccinated in that did not offer you to use the WHO Vaccine Passport and I google it for you and show you that you could have shown a WHO Vaccine Passport and got it "stamped". Oh and just to be 100% sure I do this for…

No, it's your turn to prove that what you claim is 100% valid in all places of the world if you don't want to look like an idiot.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo »

ls15 wrote: post #358
YXNjaGVyZWdlbgo wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah that's probably another lie. Even when I entered North Korea they needed the WHO vaccine passport from me BUT hey I am in a good mood these days so tell us in which magic fairytale country you got vaccinated in that did not offer you to use the WHO Vaccine Passport and I google it for you and show you that you could have shown a WHO Vaccine Passport and got it "stamped". Oh and just to be 100% sure I do this for…

No, it's your turn to prove that what you claim is 100% valid in all places of the world if you don't want to look like an idiot.

I have not lied before, and I have not moved the lamppost. You answered the question about the WHO passport, only after 4 times of asking you said that you forgot it at home. After I explained to you that you could have easily gotten a new one (a statement that you pleasantly ignored again in your last answer), you claim that the country where you were vaccinated in does not use or did not allow you to use a WHO Passport without providing any proof. Anyone who needs to reverse the burden of proof to testify to his own credibility has the burden of proof attached to him until he confesses. Otherwise, your statement is NULL. No matter how you twist it this a situation of your own making.

Re: Djokovic's PCR test was manipulated?

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Post by aspenmayer »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #352
aspenmayer wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That doesn't mean the site is bad, but it does mean it's a bad idea to go around posting random tweets on news aggregators, since there'll always be someone tweeting any take you can think of. We’re not talking about random tweets, we’re talking about on-topic tweets from posters like foone which consistently post relevant content. You’re throwing the good out with the bad and claiming that folks submitting off top…

Again, what I'm saying is that I don't think there's much good being thrown out. I don't know who foone is, so it's possible I have a biased sample somehow (maybe I don't visit at the right times?) but almost every tweet I've seen linked on HN has been false or misleading.

There have been multiple tweets that reached the front page in the last 24 hours that were quality, substantive, relevant to HN content.

I’ll admit I do use Twitter (and HN!) a lot, though.

Here’s one with 600+ points. You’re telling me we should block Twitter on HN. I’m saying that’s a bad idea for HN. Seems like the users of HN agree with me. HN is for all of us, not just any one user’s preferences.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29913693

https://twitter.com/TechEmails/status/1481339345822879745

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