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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by fxbe12 »

valachio wrote: post #682
Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

There is also the possibility that we will look back on history and realize how hysteria and media fearmongering drove human society to take wholly unnecessary measures and paved a path towards more authoritarianism, more surveillance, a financial crisis due to the government printing trillions of dollars which a lot of it is going into the stock market and driving up companies to insane valuations, creating a genera…

Amen!

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by fxbe12 »

Melatonic wrote: post #247

I know everyone is tired of this shit but I just want to remind everyone of one thing: This is the FIRST time humanity has come together and actually come up with a way to beat a virus WHILE a global pandemic is still ongoing. At no other time in history have we even had the option of a solid way to protect ourselves like we do now. I think instead of focusing on how awful the past few years have been this is an impo…

Disagree. People holding to the lab leak theory were seen as racist/Xenophobic until the new leadership (president of U.S. arrived) and all the sudden its not a racist theory.

Lest we forget, China's reaction to Australia’s call for an international probe into the origins of the corona-virus pandemic was by no means working together for the global good.

I wish I could agree with the thought but that's not what I remember happening.

As for history: Communication in the 21st century has made it so that there is constant talk between countries but this cannot be confused with collaboration.

The Spanish flu of 1918 was clearly different then this due to it being in the late stages of WWI.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by fomine3 »

zarzavat wrote: post #484
q1w2 wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm just happy to have a good excuse to wear a mask on an airplane. I always used to get sick after flights.

The airport is more risky than the airplane. In an airplane you are sat next to a fixed number of people and you have top down insertion of clean air, exactly like in an operating theatre. Meanwhile in the airport you are in a large building with many other people, you might come into contact with 100s of new people from a wide variety of places.

airplane is dehumidified

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by ipython »

Zanneth wrote: post #935
ipython wrote: post #894

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok great and all but the bigger problem is now the kids are home for a week - mild symptoms or not. You can’t send your COVID positive kids to daycare no matter how great they feel. The real tragedy here is the toll this takes on parents who otherwise could work full time. Even if they never contract COVID, you still have to worry and plan around the unknowable - can I take that meeting two weeks from now? I may have…

How is this reaction different from other respiratory illnesses? You wouldn't send your kids to a daycare with the flu either, right?

Said better than I can: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/12/opinion/parents-school-om...

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by TimTheTinker »

TimTheTinker wrote: post #376
snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

> Many are convinced that the vaccine is actually harmful... and I'm convinced that viewpoint only gained traction because of the strong-arming going on in government.

Some reading I've done recently has changed my mind on this. Check out the recently released unclassified (but suppressed) DARPA documents on the SARS-Cov2 virus.

It appears there actually has been a significant information war going on from the top... but I suspect it remains to be seen why exactly the campaign took place.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by standardUser »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #924
standardUser wrote: post #833

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"The redefinition undermines what most would colloquially understand as a vaccine" It's very common for people outside of a profession to misunderstand terms from within that profession. That generally doesn't mean we get to redefine it on the fly. The Covid vaccines are vaccines because it is the correct and appropriate terminology to use within the fields that develop and administer vaccines. In terms of not being…

> and needing boosters, Nothing wrong with needing boosters (eg you get one multiple years apart for MMR, you get one, what every decade with Tetanus?) , but every 6 months for only reduced risk of hospitalization is quite the stretch... And my understanding is flu vaccines give great protection of getting anything from very specific strains, and lesser effects to varyingly differences in those strains[1]. This "vacc…

"It's pretty disheartening to hear you essentially say that the professionals get to redefine words to benefit themselves to the detriment of the public..."

Never said any such thing, so feel free to be reheartened.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by EMM_386 »

zwieback wrote: post #171
EMM_386 wrote: post #14

I'm double vaxxed and boosted and just spent 4 days in the hospital with Covid. I actually entered the hospital without Covid and got it while I was in there. They had the entire place divided into separate wings and I had to be transferred between them. 103 degree fever, pulse 130, was pretty awful but came out of it fine. I, too, am done with all of it. Let the chips fall where they may now.

Whoa, that sounds awful, glad you made it through. From your username I'm guessing you're in your fifties, that's my age and I have fond memories of EMM386. At that age the calculation starts getting a little different. I'm also vaxxed-and-done but still a little bit cautious.

> From your username I'm guessing you're in your fifties, that's my age and I have fond memories of EMM386.

Pretty good guess :)

Late 40s though. Started programming at 8 years old on a PcJr and a Compaq "laptop" and am still at it.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by SixDouble5321 »

misiti3780 wrote: post #901
toshk wrote: post #368

Of course people are done with it. Vaccinations were sold as the solution to the pandemic. Yet worldwide infections are going up at the same speed if not faster than before vaccinations. But no policy maker acknowledges this. They refer to the lowered death rate, or blame a new variant. But it means that policy that gave people more freedom because of their vaccination status are not having any significant effect on…

Totally, but that trust has been long gone in the US. 1/2 the population stopped paying attention to Dr. Fauci after he lied about masks (understandably). Then we were told that that funerals were bad, but outdoor protests were ok. Then it was racist to even consider the virus came from a lab leak. Then Fauci claimed that technically, he didn't fund gain of function research (in the most scripted,PR speak possible).…

> Trump was racist

Trump is racist. He called COVID the kung flu. Closing a "boarder" is a bit different than blaming a demographic.

Biden is not an overt racist, so it's not likely that a border closing will get characterized as racist. It's up for debate whether it was good or bad, however.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by SixDouble5321 »

perardi wrote: post #137

This is absolutely me. 1. My personal risk, as someone who is vaccinated, 38, and in decent shape ( https://imgur.com/a/gdbBKGK ), is quite low. (OK, I could lose some holiday weight, fine.) 2. My immediate friend circle is vaccinated…and the vast majority already danced with Omicron already, and came out just fine. 3. I live by myself. So…I am over it. This variant seems to be unbelievably, uncontrollably contagious…

You would think in 38 years a person could learn some body language. Between that and seeing someone's eyes, I have little to no problem reading people's reactions with a mask on.

If you are having trouble it may be a personal problem.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by conception »

maerF0x0 wrote: post #926
conception wrote: post #788

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The CDC's explanation "interpreted to mean that vaccines were 100% effective, which has never been the case for any vaccine, so the current definition is more transparent, and also describes the ways in which vaccines can be administered" is totally on point and correct. People didn't really think about vaccines before and it wasn't a political thing where people are looking for gotchas like "They changed the definit…

> and it wasn't a political thing Where you see "a political thing" I see "a trust thing". I have been burned too many times to sanely remain trusting . It's not politics I dont care if red/blue/pink/pirate team is pushing it, I have lost blind faith and now scrutinize as I'm able. And there used to be a time when I just trusted whatever came under the banner of "Science" thinking that smarter people than me were ben…

Almost all of those violations are violations of marketing practices. Not that Pfizer is a panacea of Good or anything but the list of violations generally have nothing to do with the science of their products or science in general.

And of course, 75 situations over 20 years is meaningless. One situation was a $7,500 workplace safety issue. These aren’t “Pfizer killed people with their products!” violations. Should someone go to jail? Seems odd to throw that out without talking about what the violations were.

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