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Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by yesenadam »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #97
newaccount2021 wrote: post #7

people from around the world hungry to pull themselves up from the bottom... meanwhile in NYC and Oakland, high school students are on "strike" and walking out of class over bogus covid hysteria (aka a legit excuse to combine virtue signalling and goofing off)...apparently we must grovel to their demands as the world owes so much to, and depends so much on, the American teen fast forward twenty years, who will have r…

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western s…

You've copy/pasted this same comment 7 or 8 times on this page, on every top-level thread! (Ironically, warning about the propaganda of others) Don't do that on HN, thanks. Maybe write your own top-level comment instead of spamming on everyone else's. I guess this falls under "Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity."

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by wolverine876 »

marcan_42 wrote: post #68
wolverine876 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> there are many places in US cities where I'd pretty strongly recommend against looking out of place, wandering around like a clueless tourist, late at night. We can always construct hypothetical situations that meet some criteria. I wouldn't recommend that in any part of any city.

> I wouldn't recommend that in any part of any city. It's pretty safe in Tokyo. Not every city requires you to be on the constant lookout for your own safety. Perhaps you're used to cities with higher crime rates, and are projecting that onto every city.

> Perhaps you're used to cities with higher crime rates, and are projecting that onto every city.

Must we make up hypotheticals for my state of mind too? Perhaps stick to the facts and stay away from the person.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by kranke155 »

TameAntelope wrote: post #6

How the hell do they run these operations or have this amount of gear safely in a favela? When I did a full-on tourist experience of Rio, the guides were adamant that we not even go near any favela, as we'd immediately be robbed or worse. My understanding was that the crime in those areas was so astronomically high that nothing even resembling IT infrastructure could exist, as it would immediately be confiscated by t…

This is pretty wild and an exaggeration. You’ll get robbed if you’re not a local, sure.

Crime in the favelas is again afaik a very local thing. I’ve had lunch and dinner in restaurants in favelas and I know there’s a favela in Rio where people go for night life.

Ofc I am Brazilian and have family there.

A lot of these favelas the gang that controls them holds the peace. As a gringo you’d get robbed immediately sure, but for locals? The favelas are not some insane dystopian nightmare for many people who live in them. They’re just poor places, shanty towns.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by bigodbiel »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #93
lbrito wrote: post #30

Such a waste on a great subject. There's this huge social and economic change in Brazil over the last 10 or so years where dozens of millions of people are acceding to the digital world; broadband (usually 4G) access to the internet is becoming part of their daily lives. This has huge consequences and tons of opportunity. Nubank is a quick example I can think of that knew how to take advantage of this movement and is…

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western s…

I’m pretty sure the liberal west would rather see Lula instead of Bolsonaro (who is Latin America’s Trump!). And besides it was not Bolsonaro who was behind the massive corruption scheme organized by the Workers Party (I mean either mensalao or have another sitting duck government, so it’s always lose-lose, but that’s beside the point).

between Lula and Kirchner, I’d rather have YOLO Bukele!

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by aaron695 »

lbrito wrote: post #63
vmception wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but just because you don't respect game streamers doesn't mean that it doesn't have huge consequences and opportunities too. the people doing that have income and access to capital now whether a bank showed up or not, which is way better than any neobank fintech company can achieve. in the past, access to capital or electronic payments meant "bank the unbanked", now it doesn't mean that so there's no reason to cling…

Sorry, but this has nothing to do with whether I respect streamers or not. Streamers produce entertainment. That's fine, I'm all for entertainment -- I pay for Netflix, for instance. But it is just entertainment. You can't have a strong economy based on producing entertainment alone. We need jobs that produce real-life value at some point. In other words, kudos to the dude in the favela making money out of streaming,…

> We need jobs that produce real-life value at some point.

China did fine gold farming for a decade, I wouldn't dismiss this off hand.

Equally Nubank looks very interesting, thanks for pointing it out.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by bigodbiel »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #9

The image of someone sitting in a shack with VR gear on was thought provoking. Will the adaptation of this technology accelerate quality of life improvements, or will it be an opiate of the masses who would rather exist virtually than in the real world? Could this remove political desire for rapid change?

The opposite, if dystopia sci-fi (or Zuckberg’s Meta) is any sign of it.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by marcan_42 »

wolverine876 wrote: post #102
marcan_42 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I wouldn't recommend that in any part of any city. It's pretty safe in Tokyo. Not every city requires you to be on the constant lookout for your own safety. Perhaps you're used to cities with higher crime rates, and are projecting that onto every city.

> Perhaps you're used to cities with higher crime rates, and are projecting that onto every city. Must we make up hypotheticals for my state of mind too? Perhaps stick to the facts and stay away from the person.

I mean, assuming your experiences are shared to some extent with everyone else's is a pretty human thing to do. It's also a particularly American thing to do, perhaps for cultural reasons.

My point is this isn't a hypothetical; you can walk around Tokyo at night and be fine.

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by lbrito »

bigodbiel wrote: post #104
nopenopenopeno wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges) has a big lead. After the recent socialist victories in Chile and Bolivia (following the U.S.-assisted coup), western s…

I’m pretty sure the liberal west would rather see Lula instead of Bolsonaro (who is Latin America’s Trump!). And besides it was not Bolsonaro who was behind the massive corruption scheme organized by the Workers Party (I mean either mensalao or have another sitting duck government, so it’s always lose-lose, but that’s beside the point). between Lula and Kirchner, I’d rather have YOLO Bukele!

>between Lula and Kirchner, I’d rather have YOLO Bukele!

So you support dictators and are anti-Lula. Why am I not surprised?

Re: Young people from Brazil's favelas set out to conquer digital world

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Post by sudosysgen »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #90
thescriptkiddie wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these gangs peace is more interesting and profitable than a lot of crime and chaos I think it is enlightening to look at these sort of situations through the lens of feudalism. Criminal gangs are not sociopathic comic book villains interested in violence for the fun of it, they are more like landlords, and are in it for money, security, and a sense of community. Medieval kings, the Italian/American/Japanese mafias,…

That is an insane perspective. The favelas are a site of extreme exploitation, no matter how you try to rationalize it. This article is obviously propaganda meant to counter the headlines about the Worker’s Party leading in the polls. The working people of Brazil have suffered tremendously under Bolsanaro’s neoliberal government and Lula (Worker’s Party candidate who Bolsanaro imprisoned for 2 years on bogus charges)…

I don't think they meant it was not exploitative when they compared it to Feudalism, hopefully everyone agrees that feudalism is extremely exploitative.

I agree however that what was done to Lula is so bad it's got to be one of the worst affronts to democracy anywhere. It's a shame our media give it so little attention.

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